Hi Joshua, I have the older SE 2016 running iOS14 and it does have the Container settings in Verboscity, but my new SE 2020 does not have the Container settings in Verboscity and this phone is running iOS13.7.
Take care and stay safe. Mike. Sent from my iBarstool. Go dodgers! ----- Original Message ----- From: Joshua Hendrickson To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Monday, September 21, 2020 5:16 AM Subject: Re: Toolbar? Where exactly are container descriptions? I went to settings, accessibility, voiceover, verbosity, and I couldn't find anything about containers. I'm running 13.7 is this only in 14? On 9/21/20, Richard Turner <richardturne...@outlook.com> wrote: > I find that with container descriptions off, all my text messages still > speak the name of the sender, and in the case of a group text, it says the > names of each individual in the conversation, without all that extra > verbiage. > > > > Richard > "He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass > himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient > hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not > granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - > Edward > Herbert > > On Sep 21, 2020, at 3:29 AM, Alvin Ng <alvin....@gmail.com> wrote: > > But when you turn off the container descriptions, you will not know which > message you are in using the treaded mails. Besides, VO will not announce > who the sender is. > > > > On 21 Sep 2020, at 9:03 AM, Michael Jones <jmjones...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Hi, > > Take a look at the verbosity settings for Voiceover. I set the "container > descriptions" to "do nothing" and I am not getting a lot of the extra > speech. > > Michael > > > > > > On Sep 20, 2020, at 19:23, Kimber Gardner <kimbersinbox1...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > Yeah, that toolbar announcement bugs the crap out of me just like the > thing saying "conversations" at the top of the messages app. > > Kim > > On 9/20/20, Cristóbal Muñoz <cristobalm...@gmail.com> wrote: > Yup. I wrote Apple accessibility as well. Don’t' know if it's a bug or > well > intentioned effort to provide more description/information, but it's one > of > those cases where more isn't better. > I asked if it isn't in fact a bug, that if they could at the very least > include this behavior only when hints are turned on to give us more > experienced iOS users more options on what's spoken. > Same goes for the mail app. Now, when you're focused on a folder, VO says > no > unread mail. I mean., you intuitively understand if VO doesn’t' read X > unread messages, there are no unread emails in that folder or inbox. Just > more superfluous chatter we have to sift through every single time. Again, > probably mor appropriate for when hints are turned on. > > > Cristóbal > > -----Original Message----- > From: viphone@googlegroups.com <viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of > Sieghard Weitzel > Sent: Sunday, September 20, 2020 12:27 PM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: RE: Toolbar? > > I very much agree here, always thought how nice it would be to be able to > turn off how Voiceover says "Dock" whenever I touch one of the apps there. > After all, it doesn't say "Home screen 1" if I touch an app on my first > home > screen and I think Apple really needs to tie such redundant announcements > to > Voiceover Hints or to entirely allow them to be turned on or off just how > you can really customize what information Jaws speaks. Any half way > competent iPhone user doesn't need to hear "Dock" or "Toolbar" or "tab > bar" > spoken. Yes, you get used to it, but it's still annoying and hopefully a > number of people will write to Apple Accessibility requesting this. This > is > definitely one I will point out especially now that they are expanding > such > extra announcements. > > -----Original Message----- > From: viphone@googlegroups.com <viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of > Mary > Otten > Sent: Sunday, September 20, 2020 11:58 AM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: Toolbar? > > It would be nice to be able to turn these announcements off. I mean > really, > toolbar? But it’s been there all through the beta cycle, so I’m sure it’s > deliberate. More unnecessary verbosity. Please let us turn all this junk > off. > > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Sep 20, 2020, at 11:52 AM, Richard Turner <richardturne...@outlook.com> > wrote: > > That would be considered a feature by Apple, just like the Dock saying > the Dock when you touch the apps at the bottom of your screen. > Apparently, we are supposed to know we are in the Toolbar, or Dock, as if > one couldn't figure that out because it is the last line of the screen. > > > > Richard > "He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass > himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient > hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not > granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - > Edward Herbert > > -----Original Message----- > From: viphone@googlegroups.com <viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of > Gerardo Corripio > Sent: Sunday, September 20, 2020 10:39 AM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: Toolbar? > > I’m curious if when we touch, for example within the Mail app, near the > dock where you have the ToolBar to delete, More Options, and others, is it > an iOS14 bug that it says ToolBar, or is it someting that should be there? > Of course it doesn’t bother me, but I’m curious. > > Gera > Enviado desde mi iPhone SE (2nd Generation) de Telcel > > -- > The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone > list. > > If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or > if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the > owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. > > Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. 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