It should say message 1 or 2 and so on. I don't have trouble with the numbers. When I first start typing my messages, Siri comes on sometimes. What's that about? I don't touch my home button. I don't have hey Siri turned on.
Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 21, 2020, at 2:09 PM, Mary Otten <[email protected]> wrote: > > Well, if I get a thread of messages and I expand to the thread with the > actions rotor. Then I flip to the right to read the first message. So I don’t > have to open the message unless it’s too long for the preview pane. Having > read the preview pane, I may delete the message. I expect to see the next > message in the thread. But God knows where I might be. It’s like I’m in the > next message in the order in the mail list, not the next message in the > thread. It’s like once I expand the thread, the system no longer recognizes > it as such. > > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Sep 21, 2020, at 11:02 AM, Richard Turner <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >> Sieghard, do you have it set to Do Nothing under Caption Description in >> Verbosity? >> >> I get no information about the who the threaded messages are from if it is >> set to do nothing. >> >> No numbers, no names; very interesting. >> >> >> >> Richard >> "He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass >> himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient >> hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not >> granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward >> Herbert >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of >> Sieghard Weitzel >> Sent: Monday, September 21, 2020 9:08 AM >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: RE: Toolbar? >> >> I have this turned off and if you are talking about threaded messages in the >> Mail app then this seems to work fine for me. >> I currently only have a few with two messages where I received a message and >> then replied, if I swipe to one of them Voiceover announces "Replied" and >> the name of the person who sent it, then it will say "2 messages in thread". >> If I double tap to open the thread and then turn the rotor to Messages I can >> swipe down and Voiceover says "Message 2 of 2" and it will say "From: >> Sieghard Weitzel", if I swipe up again it will say "Message 1 of 2" and this >> is followed by the original sender's name. >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Alvin >> Ng >> Sent: Monday, September 21, 2020 3:29 AM >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: Re: Toolbar? >> >> But when you turn off the container descriptions, you will not know which >> message you are in using the treaded mails. Besides, VO will not announce >> who the sender is. >> >> >> >> On 21 Sep 2020, at 9:03 AM, Michael Jones <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> Hi, >> >> Take a look at the verbosity settings for Voiceover. I set the "container >> descriptions" to "do nothing" and I am not getting a lot of the extra speech. >> >> Michael >> >> >> >> >> >>>> On Sep 20, 2020, at 19:23, Kimber Gardner <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>> >>> Yeah, that toolbar announcement bugs the crap out of me just like the >>> thing saying "conversations" at the top of the messages app. >>> >>> Kim >>> >>>> On 9/20/20, Cristóbal Muñoz <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> Yup. I wrote Apple accessibility as well. Don’t' know if it's a bug >>>> or well intentioned effort to provide more description/information, >>>> but it's one of those cases where more isn't better. >>>> I asked if it isn't in fact a bug, that if they could at the very >>>> least include this behavior only when hints are turned on to give us >>>> more experienced iOS users more options on what's spoken. >>>> Same goes for the mail app. Now, when you're focused on a folder, VO >>>> says no unread mail. I mean., you intuitively understand if VO >>>> doesn’t' read X unread messages, there are no unread emails in that >>>> folder or inbox. Just more superfluous chatter we have to sift >>>> through every single time. Again, probably mor appropriate for when hints >>>> are turned on. >>>> >>>> >>>> Cristóbal >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf >>>> Of Sieghard Weitzel >>>> Sent: Sunday, September 20, 2020 12:27 PM >>>> To: [email protected] >>>> Subject: RE: Toolbar? >>>> >>>> I very much agree here, always thought how nice it would be to be >>>> able to turn off how Voiceover says "Dock" whenever I touch one of the >>>> apps there. >>>> After all, it doesn't say "Home screen 1" if I touch an app on my >>>> first home screen and I think Apple really needs to tie such >>>> redundant announcements to Voiceover Hints or to entirely allow them >>>> to be turned on or off just how you can really customize what >>>> information Jaws speaks. Any half way competent iPhone user doesn't need >>>> to hear "Dock" or "Toolbar" or "tab bar" >>>> spoken. Yes, you get used to it, but it's still annoying and >>>> hopefully a number of people will write to Apple Accessibility >>>> requesting this. This is definitely one I will point out especially >>>> now that they are expanding such extra announcements. >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf >>>> Of Mary Otten >>>> Sent: Sunday, September 20, 2020 11:58 AM >>>> To: [email protected] >>>> Subject: Re: Toolbar? >>>> >>>> It would be nice to be able to turn these announcements off. I mean >>>> really, toolbar? But it’s been there all through the beta cycle, so >>>> I’m sure it’s deliberate. More unnecessary verbosity. Please let us >>>> turn all this junk off. >>>> >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> >>>>> On Sep 20, 2020, at 11:52 AM, Richard Turner >>>>> <[email protected]> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> That would be considered a feature by Apple, just like the Dock >>>>> saying the Dock when you touch the apps at the bottom of your screen. >>>>> Apparently, we are supposed to know we are in the Toolbar, or Dock, >>>>> as if one couldn't figure that out because it is the last line of the >>>>> screen. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Richard >>>>> "He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must >>>>> pass himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of >>>>> ancient hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have >>>>> regretted not granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted >>>>> extending it.)" - Edward Herbert >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf >>>>> Of Gerardo Corripio >>>>> Sent: Sunday, September 20, 2020 10:39 AM >>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>> Subject: Toolbar? >>>>> >>>>> I’m curious if when we touch, for example within the Mail app, near >>>>> the dock where you have the ToolBar to delete, More Options, and >>>>> others, is it an iOS14 bug that it says ToolBar, or is it someting that >>>>> should be there? >>>>> Of course it doesn’t bother me, but I’m curious. >>>>> >>>>> Gera >>>>> Enviado desde mi iPhone SE (2nd Generation) de Telcel >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> The following information is important for all members of the V >>>>> iPhone list. >>>>> >>>>> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this >>>>> list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please >>>>> contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list >>>>> itself. >>>>> >>>>> Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. 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