David, it's my understanding that the accessibility product for android one for a one-time charge of $99. Firstly, I hope that's Pappasito takes. I would say that if they charge $100 per year, they will price and sells out of the market and the iPhone platform.
Sent from my iPhone On May 12, 2013, at 6:41 PM, David Chittenden <dchitten...@gmail.com> wrote: > So, if Sendero goes with $100 every three years, that will be triple the cost > of the general market equivalent (considering that they will be using an > internet-based maps model). This would be equivalent to their price of Look > Around being approximately three times the cost of the paid what's around > apps. > > If they go with $100 per year, they are pricing approximately two to three > times the cost of the phone-based maps apps, or ten times the cost of the > internet-based maps apps. Well, this is par for the course for accessibility > companies. For hardware devices, at least 10 to 15 years ago, prices for AT > products for the blind tended to cost between 10 and 100 times the cost of > the general market product. The question each of us needs to answer is, "Is > the difference in cost worth what you are getting for the expense?" This > question must be answered independently for each product. Given the nature of > the market and the tiny size of the blindness vertical market, companies > geared to this market exclusively need to charge this extreme premium in > order to remain as profitable businesses. > > David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA > Email: dchitten...@gmail.com > Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 > Sent from my iPhone > > On 13/05/2013, at 10:24, Les Kriegler <kriegle...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Hi Richard, >> >> Actually, they are not on the same pricing structure. I use motion X GPS >> Drive and it cost $10 per year. So even if they go at hundred dollars for >> three years, that is pricier.d >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On May 12, 2013, at 5:14 PM, Richard Turner <richard.turne...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >>> Hi David, >>> I of course agree with most of what you said. However, to be fair to >>> Sendero, the announcement at CSUN said that it will probably cost $100 for >>> one to three years, they had not settled on exactly how the pricing >>> structure would work. >>> If it would be for three years, then you are in the same ball park as >>> something like Motion X gps for their turn-by-turn text to speech. >>> If it is $100 per year, I am not sure they will get enough takers to make >>> it worth while. >>> >>> But, that is straying off the topic of this thread a bit. >>> >>> As for the scanning, using the StandScan Pro gets better results for me >>> than the KNFB Reader on a regular basis. >>> >>> When Prizmo 2 comes out this week, it will be interesting to see how it >>> compares to the last TextGrabber for speed as well as other features. I >>> have to say, at this point, I'm a TextGrabber convert. >>> >>> Later, >>> Richard >>> >>> >>> Richard >>> (Sent from Richard's iPod Touch 5th gen) >>> >>> On May 12, 2013, at 8:15 AM, David Chittenden <dchitten...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> Thanks for your reply. The OCR engine in TextGrabber and Prizmo is newer >>>> and better than the OCR engine in KNFB Reader. When these apps are used in >>>> conjunction with a product like the StandScan Pro, their abilities really >>>> shine through. >>>> >>>> Even the hardware is better with the iPhone 5 verses the Nokia N86. Using >>>> my StandScan Pro and TextGrabber, I get OCR times of just a few seconds >>>> with quality that is equivalent to a desktop system. >>>> >>>> I have heard rumours that KNFB Reading Technologies is considering >>>> creating a KNFB Reader for the iPhone. Their concern is whether people >>>> will pay several hundred dollars for the product. By my calculations, ten >>>> StandScan Pro boxes would come to $300, which I suspect would be the >>>> minimum asking price from KNFB Reading. I personally would not pay such a >>>> high price as it is not worth that kind of money to me considering I get >>>> better results with significantly less expensive equipment. >>>> >>>> If you question my significant price expectations for KNFB Reader on the >>>> iPhone, consider the precedence. Sendero Group, the makers of GPS for the >>>> blind, announced at CSUN that the GPS app which the Seeing Eye invested in >>>> the creation of will probably sell for a subscription fee of $100 per >>>> year. With this pricing structure, they are charging $25 more per year >>>> than they charged for map updates with Mobile Geo. >>>> >>>> I learned over a decade ago that it is almost always much more difficult >>>> for an adaptive tech company to switch over to a mainstream market. The >>>> fact is, there is no way consumers who are not blind will pay anywhere >>>> near that kind of money for OCR or GPS when the alternatives are all >>>> significantly less than $100 without any sort of subscription models. >>>> >>>> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA >>>> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com >>>> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> >>>> On 12/05/2013, at 16:58, Sieghard Weitzel <siegh...@live.ca> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hello, >>>>> >>>>> You’ll probably get a lot of replies and the 2 apps which people will >>>>> recommend the most will be Prizmo and Text Grabber. You may also get a >>>>> few recommendations for Text Detective and SayText. >>>>> >>>>> Apps like Prizmo or Text Grabber are probably every bit as good >>>>> recognizing stuff as KNFB Reader is. The main cause for poor results are >>>>> poorly taken pictures where either the lighting is not good enough, the >>>>> person who takes the picture holds the phone too close, too far away or >>>>> not parallel to the text etc. People who use the Standscan which is a >>>>> simple cardboard box where the phone rests above the page you want to >>>>> scan and looks down through a hole in the top pretty much all get >>>>> excellent results that often rival those of a flatbed scanner. But it’s >>>>> just the nature of the beast that a blind person can’t take a perfect >>>>> picture, make sure the page is not in shadow and all that. >>>>> >>>>> David from New Zealand was a KNFB Reader user before and now uses Prizmo >>>>> and Text Grabber and he has several times posted reviews where he >>>>> explains exactly why OCR on an iPhone can be just as good or better. It >>>>> is my understanding that one of the features which made KNFB Reader >>>>> relatively easy to use was the fact that it was quite forgiving with >>>>> respect to focus and alignment, but one should also not forget that >>>>> Prizmo is $9.99 and KNFB Reader was what, about $1,500? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Regards, >>>>> Sieghard >>>>> >>>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On >>>>> Behalf Of Avnish Chopra >>>>> Sent: Saturday, May 11, 2013 9:37 PM >>>>> To: ViPhone >>>>> Subject: Decent OCR? >>>>> >>>>> . >>>>> I have asked this question before. Is there no good OCR app? I mean some >>>>> good app like the Text Scout or the KNFB Reader? >>>>> Is it not high time that we IOS users got a decent one? I have tried at >>>>> least a dozen applications but none of them are even half as good as the >>>>> two mentioned earlier. 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