There have been p/Ni lenr with K and no Li. 

On Wed, 8 Apr 2015
12:18:36 -0700, Bob Cook  wrote:   
I am not surprised that He has not
been reported from the Lugano E-Cat test heretofore. 

Helium is hard to
collect, being an inert gas, and at temperatures it diffuses rapidly in
porous materials. I would have said much of the He in the Lugano test
would have escaped the reactor, either during operation or upon opening
for inspection. Rossi may have gone to some extent to collect the He
that he is now reporting to confirm the Rossi--Cook theory of its
generation.  

I am surprised at the suggested incredible occurrence of
He in the Hot Cat test. It has been reported by SPAWARS and several
others in early LENR experiments and has been associated with excess
heat. Some of these experiments included Li in the reaction, making it a
not-uncommon possible reactant in cases where He was actually identified
as a product.  

This conversation leads me to guess at another
mechanism to get to the high Li-6 ratio Jones indicates is difficult to
reach by any known means, including expensive isotope separation
processes. That mechanism would be the generation of Li-6 from deuterium
and or protium directly in the Ni and Pd lattices. It may be that Li-6
was not necessary to produce He in the Pd lattice, but is necessary in
the Li--Ni lattice system. In other words in the Ni system to arrive at
the stable He nuclei it is necessary to go through the Be-8
configuration, using every bit of Li-7 available, and producing new Li-7
via He-6 and Li-6 or some other route making use of the available
protium as the feed stock. 

If the Lugano analysis of the ash for Li-6
ratio is accurate, I do not believe that Li-6 could have been added
after the completion of the test, given the difficulty noted above to
make such a highly concentrated Li-6 batch of metal by any known
means--Jones's observation, with which I agree.  

It is clear that Li-7
is a lot better liked by nature than Li-6 given their natural ratios.
The wonder is that there is any Li-6 around if the natural generation
was via He-4. As Jones apply points out He-6 may be the smoking gun to
get to Li-6 and hence back to He the stable entity which nature likes
because of its high binding energy. The Second Law has strange ways of
expressing itself, particularly when it comes to nuclear reactions and
coherent systems.  

Jones has suggested the coupling of Spin energy of
a composite particle with the strong force/energy field provided by
gluons and the effective mass they add to composite particles. It is
suggested that the two "sources" of composite particle energy may be
exchangeable in terms of mass. I have not heard of this, however, it may
be the case.  

Assuming a wave function exists for composite particles,
then this coupling I assume would be evident in the mathematics of the
wave function. Does anyone have knowledge of papers relative to this
issue of the mechanism for the exchange of spin energy to mass. (It
should involve the conservation of angular momentum as well as energy.)


Bob Cook 

----- Original Message ----- 
FROM: Jones Beene [1] 
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SENT: Wednesday, April 08, 2015 10:51 AM

SUBJECT: RE: [Vo]:mainstream physics paper bout the Hot Cat, co-author
Andrea Rossi 

FROM: Bob Higgins  

Jones, What is your evidence for
your statement: 

"The Lugano isotope data, even if it could be
believed, completely negates the entire scenario since Li-7 is NOT
depleted according to the Lugano report - but instead is converted to
Li-6. "   

First of all, there is a crude assay based on the size of
the pure sphere - and no evidence of large imbalance of Li-7 elsewhere.
More importantly, 85 years of nuclear physics can present no thermal
process where the bulk isotopic distribution varies more than a few
percent per stage, yet the Lugano report, if it can be believed shows
extremely pure Li-6 appearing in what is essentially one stage in one
sample - many orders of magnitude purer than any know process can
deliver.  

There are three possibilities - either the starting material
was enriched in pure Li-6, which is most likely, or else the process of
heat generation has converted the missing Li-7 into Li-6, which is
endothermic, and unlikely to have happened in a process where excess
heat is generated. The third possibility is that the ash was spiked with
pure isotope. 

Neither of these possibilities can in any way support a
conclusion of lithium-7 plus proton fusion, especially with the lack of
the expected gamma, and no indication of helium.  

To say that Levi's
crew did not test for helium is a complete cop-out and only indicative
of further incompetence on the part of this team. With this claimed
excess heat over 30 days there should have been a large amount of
helium, actual overpressure: that is - if lithium fusion were taking
place. A sample of gas should at least have been stored for later
testing. 

Most likely conclusion - Rossi understood from the start that
lithium-6 is the active isotope, and he provided fuel which was highly
enriched, and at the same time, provided a different fuel for the
testing of the "before" sample. Only Rossi handled this fuel. He had
complete control, and no one complained. BTW - The cost of that much
lithium-6 (about 50 milligrams) available from several suppliers, is
about $10. 

Jones 

What I drew from the report was the only thing that
can be concluded was that the 7Li is more commensurate to the 6Li in the
ash as compared to the fuel. There was no mass assay that determined how
much total Li was present in the ash compared to the fuel. We know that
physically, a lot of the Li will be on the walls of the alumina tube, so
we don't have any idea of the absolute depletion of Li mass in the
reaction.  

While it is possible that the 7Li is converted to 6Li, it
is only one of the possibilities. The ICP-MS analysis is a full volume
analysis and showed both Li isotopes near equal in percentage in the
ash. How these isotopes became nearly equal is just blind speculation at
the moment without further experimental data. All of the possibilities
for the ratio change from fuel to ash should be laid out and the
plausibility of each examined.  

Bob      

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