Thanks, Horace, this was enlightening.

Is it fair to say that,

a) The Casimir force is a surface phenomenon, unlike most common forces,
which act on the body of the material, including all the forces
mentioned below in (b);

b) The net Casimir force which acts on a body due to the presence of
more than one "shading" object is *not* related to the force due to each
individual "shading" object by linear superposition, unlike EM forces,
Newtonian gravity, and push gravity (in the low-strength limit);

and for these reasons, and most particularly due to (b), the Casimir
force is also *not* conservative, unlike the other common forces
mentioned in (b)?

Linear superposition is what allows us to conclude from the conservative
nature of single-particle E and B fields that the action of arbitrarily
complex E and B fields must also be conservative, of course, and the
fact that the Casimir force doesn't follow this is remarkable.


Horace Heffner wrote:
> 

[ snip parts I didn't comment on ]

> 
> I am well aware of the fringe force at the edge of capacitors and how
> these are used to produce electrostatic motors. Electrostatic motors
> conserve energy, so it just happens that when an edge with a small
> fringe force is dragged across a wide capacitor, a lot of energy is
> expended (or obtained depending on polarity) and that energy is exactly
> equal to the energy stored between the plates when together at
> potential.   This involves the Coulomb force, which is a 1/r^2 force.  I
> have also been aware that the Casimir force involves large negative
> exponents on r, and thus the fringe force effect can not be conservative
> with regard to plate effects.

Don't follow this particular paragraph's conclusion, which *seems* to be
saying that because it's higher power than 1/r^2, it can't be
conservative.  But perhaps I misunderstood this.

Just because it's higher power than r^2 doesn't imply it's not
conservative, does it?  Surely, for instance, a 1/r^12 force can be
represented by a potential field going as k/r^11, can it not?

But in any case this has no bearing on what you said both earlier and
later, which made it seem clear the Casimir force should, indeed, *not*
be conservative.


> Further, and most importantly, the casimir
> force involves only straight lines.  There are no bending E field lines
> to deal with.

Right -- I think this is a direct consequence of the fact that it
doesn't obey the law of superposition.  The E field consists of nothing
but straight lines, also, at some fundamental level, but when we
superpose several sources which all produce "straight lines" with
magnitudes varying along the lines, the *sum* of those lines is a bunch
of curves.


> The energy involved in plate motion with regard to the fringe force, at
> least for conductive surfaces, is highly dependent on the plate edge
> geometry.  It is purely an effect between surfaces.  While
> Mostepanenenko's principles involve fudging, he says the powers of r 
> always come out right using his method.  Therefore the method serves
> well for a comparative analysis, because, in designs using the same
> materials, we can ignore the material related (fudged) constant C.  I
> will now prove, by comparative analysis, that the lateral force on a
> square plate edge is not the same as on a beveled plate edge, and thus a
> net energy gain is feasible from a Casimir effect motor provided the
> edges of the plates are appropriately shaped.
> 
> The following comments refer to aspects of Figure 6, Page 9 of:
> 
> http://www.mtaonline.net/~hheffner/CasimirGenerator.pdf
> 
> The following is the key to Fig. 6:
> 
> (P7,S3) - top of bottom slab
> (P5,P1) - bottom of top slabs
> (P5,P1,P2,P4) - sides of rectangular top plate
> (P5,P1,P3,P4) - sides of beveled top plate
> S1 S2 and S3 - points for van der Waals retardation calculation
> (S1,S2)- ZPF free line for S1 on beveled slab to some point S2
> S4,S1,S5 - angle of feasible ZPF free lines to second plate from S1
> (s3,S2) - SPF free line corresponding to (S1,S2) for comparison
> 
> In Fig. 6 we are comparing two slabs, a rectangular one vs one with a
> beveled edge. Now we pick any point S1 on the edge of the beveled slab.
> We need to sum the potentials (or forces) from every ZPF free line
> between S1 and every point S2 on the bottom slab surface. All such ZPF
> free lines (S1,S2) lie within the angle S4,S1,S5. The line (S1,S4) is
> parallel to the bottom slab surface, (P6,S2).
> 
> Now, for every such ZPE free line (S1,S2) there exists a unique
> corresponding ZPF free line on the rectangular slab edge (P1,P2), which
> shares an intersecting point S3 on the rectangular slab edge.  In every
> case, (S1,S2) is larger than the corresponding (S3,S2).  Because this is
> true for every possible point S1, the sum of the potentials for the
> beveled edge are smaller than the sum of the potentials for the
> rectangular slab edge. There are many ZPF lines from the rectangular
> slab edge to the bottom slab which have not been evaluated, and for
> which there are no corresponding ZPF free lines from the beveled edge,
> but this only makes the inequality larger.  In every case of
> corresponding ZPF free lines, the lines make the same angles with
> respect to the bottom slab, so the force vectors can be broken into axis
> oriented vectors and summed without changing the direction of the
> inequalities.
> 
> There are analogous arguments if the bevel goes the other way, making an
> even better cavity than the rectangular slab edge.
> 
> For the above reasons, a free energy rotor can be made of blades of
> parallelogram shape, with a back bevel on one side and a forward bevel
> on the opposed edge, or even a squared off edge substituting for one of
> the beveled edges.  Since the force on the two edges is not balanced, a
> net torque results without application of external energy.  This results
> in a free energy motor.

Very nice!  Nice demonstration that the force isn't conservative, and I
like the rotor, which leaves the plates at fixed separation and just has
one of them spin -- it's a lot more convincing (to me) than general
assertions that we can bring the plates together along one path and
separate them by sliding along a different, longer, path.


> 
> This also provides proof that the earlier proposed Casimir generator
> principles work, provided the slab edges are beveled.
> 
> Best regards,
> 
> Horace Heffner
> http://www.mtaonline.net/~hheffner/
> 
> 
> 
> 

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