Axil, It is premature for us to draw the conclusion that all cold fusion reactions are the same process. Nature decided this issue and not us.
Dave -----Original Message----- From: Axil Axil <janap...@gmail.com> To: vortex-l <vortex-l@eskimo.com> Sent: Mon, Feb 3, 2014 10:11 am Subject: Re: [Vo]:a note from Dr. Stoyan Sargoytchev The cold fusion reaction must be the same for all systems if we look deep enough. LeClair reports gamma radiation in cavitation and so does Piantelliin a nickel bar system. Both these systems are cold systems, Piantelli reports gammas when his system is very cold only. Rossi says that his early systems produced gammas. The bottom line, the basic cold fusion process does not always exclude the production of gammas. On Mon, Feb 3, 2014 at 9:53 AM, Jones Beene <jone...@pacbell.net> wrote: From:Eric Walker Jed Rothwell wrote: These discussions about "suppressing" gammarays and neutrons have been around since the beginning of cold fusion. It is true that some people in this thread have beenarguing about the suppression of MeV-range gammas. Like you say, thissounds pretty far-out. Better not to have powerful gammas in the firstplace. That is really the crux ofthe Nickel hydrogen analysis. Rossi/Forcardi originally proposed a reaction inwhich substantial gammas should have been witnessed at 10 kW of thermal release.The original lead shielding (in the first demo) was indicative of his beliefthat there were gamma and he hired an expert for testing at that demo. Things changed. Note thatof late, Rossi’s own comments (to JoNP) show that he is no longer pushing the transmutationof nickel to copper, and has doubts about any theory. In fact, we know that Ni-> Cu cannot be the prime reaction for the reasons which have been hashedand rehashed- particularly, the lack of radioactive ash. Jones wants to say that there is no penetratingradiation whatsoever in NiH. He no doubt has his reversible proton fusionin mind. Well, yes - the RPF reversibleproton fusion suggestion (diproton reaction) only came into play as a last resort– and it was chosen as the “one and only” well-known nuclear reaction in all ofphysics which did not produce gammas. Problem is, of course, it only happens onthe sun; and QCD, which would describe the level of exotherm (it is a strong forcereaction) is not my field of expertise. I have been attempting to partner withan expert in QCD on this theory, but of course, most of them are negative onLENR to begin with and do not want to have their name associated with Rossi.That will change very soon. Ed wants to say that what low-level radiation there isabove a very low threshold is due to side channels (if I have understood him). He has his hydroton in mind. I've argued that the evidence bearsotherwise on both counts, and that low-level penetrating radiation is both seenand is perhaps inherent to NiH cold fusion and not due to a side channel. The problem with anysuggestion including Ed’s, which does not exclude gamma radiation from thestart (ab initio) which is to say - by the nature of the reaction itself – can becalled “leakage.” In all reactions in physics where gammas can witnessed, theywill be witnessed. There are no exceptions. Gammas are highly penetrating, andeven1% leakage stands out like a sore thumb. Actually even one part per billionwould stand out like a sore thumb. I do not mind belaboringthe main point - that to adequately explain Rossi’s results, if Rossi is forreal - we must backtrack in order find a gammaless starting point. This is dueto the excellent gamma study by Bianchini who, with top notch instrumentation, couldnot find any gammas over hours of study at high thermal release, with hisprobes place under the original lead shielding. HE FOUND NONE - essentially abackground level. The importance of “none” instead of a few, cannot beoveremphasized. The underlying reaction must be gammaless. It is not sufficient tosuggest that gammas are formed and suppressed. “Leakage” prevents thatsuggestion. There are no gammas in the Rossi reactor during operation and theones seen at startup can be easily explained as external. Things could be differentfor other reactions like Pd-D, but for now, we are only concerned with an analysisof the Rossi reaction, in this thread. Jones
