On Feb 8, 2014, at 11:06 AM, Jones Beene wrote:
From: Edmund Storms
Bob, we are presented with a complex puzzle. A solution requires
testing possibilities against what is observed. A solution is made
difficult if mechanisms are proposed that cannot be tested. For
example, spin coupling can not be tested against what is known and,
in addition, it is not found to involve the magnitude of energy
involved. The human mind can imagine an infinite number of
possibilities. Some way must be used to limit these possibilities.
JB: But Ed – it is far worse to attempt to rationalize a mechanism
which we know for sure cannot work, like P+P fusion to deuterium.
ES: But Jones, we do not know this can not work. You are taking the
conventional approach that eventually proves that LENR is impossible.
Not accurate! Let’s be clear: I am very much taking an expanded
conventional approach – but it is one which says that in order for
LENR to be proved, there must be an energetic reaction for gain
which does not produce gamma nor does it produce more than minimal
transmutation.
We agree on these two requirements. The mechanism is in question.
Spin coupling, for instance - is well known, and has not been ruled
out. That does not mean it is correct, but at least it is not ruled
out by experiment.
Deuterium fusing from protons can be ruled out.
How is this ruled out? You only provide assertions. I consider this
possibility based on evidence for tritium production and the
assumption that a similar process applies to p and d. So far I see
nothing that shows this is not a plausible assumption.
I'm proposing a new approach must be used. Suggesting obscure and
untestable processes such as spin coupling does not help.
They are not obscure at all - and they are testable. You are
incorrect on that point. Several of the alternative theories for Ni-
H have a good chance even though real “fusion” as it is known to the
mainstream, is not in evidence. We must find a way to convert
nuclear mass to thermal heat and yes spin coupling can do that.
So, you claim spin coupling can convert over 24 MeV/event to heat in
the case of deuterium and over 11 MeV/event in the case of
transmutation. Has anyone actually shown this amount of energy being
involved in spin coupling, either by experiment or theory?
Your approach, as it applies to Ni-H does not match experiment, and
that is the bottom line.
We must rule out fusion of protons to deuterium. That says nothing
about the fusion of protons to helium in palladium, which can happen
in that kind of reaction BUT NOT in Ni-H. The Rossi experiment
absolutely rules out P+P -> D.
OK Jones, I accept we have a different approach. Nevertheless, your
statement above is about a fact. Where does this fact come from? I
have seen no evidence supporting such a conclusion. As far as I know,
no effort has been described about a search for deuterium. Tritium
would be produced in such a small amount, it would be missed unless it
was sought with care. In addition, Rossi has no reason to acknowledge
tritium production for obvious reasons. Please explain why you make
the above statement.
Ed Storms
Jones
