On Feb 8, 2014, at 12:11 PM, Jones Beene wrote:
From: Edmund Storms
* Deuterium fusing from protons can be ruled out.
How is this ruled out? You only provide assertions.
No, I provide two facts from the Rossi experiments. No gamma. No
tritium.
But Jones, Rossi detected radiation, made efforts to shield, and this
radiation was detected at the time by Celani and other people detect
rasdiation using light water. As for tritium, do you actually believe
Rossi? I don't! He has given no indication of how or when this
detection was made.
These are facts, not assertions. Rossi is presently the best hope
for the
future of LENR and it does little good for anyone to try to confuse
the
broader field by hopelessly trying to explain another anomaly in
another
context. The Rossi effect, at this point in time, is worth dropping
everything else for - in order to understand it.
That is what I'm trying to do, but using information from other
sources. Rossi made heat. He has shown no ability to explain the
process. He has limited ability to make suitable measurements. And he
is a confused source of information. Why would you accept him as an
authority about science?
I consider this possibility based on evidence for tritium
production and the assumption that a similar process applies to p
and d.
Tritium is not seen in Rossi, nor is it seen from protons alone, and
it is
not relevant to the Rossi effect, except in its absence.
Tritium has been made using normal water in an electrolytic cell. Do
you think a different mechanism applies here compared to Ni-H2?
There is no evidence that a similar process to Rossi is involved in
Pd-D of
P&F and it is counter-productive to confuse the two. In fact, all the
important evidence shows the two cannot be similar in any meaningful
way.
OK Jones, this is a difference of opinion only nature will resolve.
So, you claim spin coupling can convert over 24 MeV/event to
heat in the case of deuterium and over 11 MeV/event in the case of
transmutation.
You must be kidding, right? There is no high energy event in the Rossi
effect, or it would have been seen in the Bianchini radiation
monitoring.
Spin coupling does not apply to the fusion of deuterium into helium.
You are
intentionally conflating two unrelated effects.
Transmutation, even using Cu production. generates about 6 MeV of
energy/event. The products detected by DGT and other people require
about 12 MeV/event to be released. This is fact based on the mass
change.
P&F is different from Rossi - end of story ...unless someone can
supply real
proof of a connection. None has been shown. "Ockham" is not proof of
anything, and has never provided a valid level of understanding to
any field
of science, especially since parsimony is completely adverse to QM.
QM is
anti-Ockham.
You opened a can of worms I don't have time to kill. Nevertheless,
what you said has no justification.
Ed Storms
Jones
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