Axil, I would be interested in your statements of absolute certainty if I had not studied LENR in great depth. Nothing personal, but you do not know what you are talking about.
Ed Storms On Mar 5, 2014, at 2:17 PM, Axil Axil wrote: > Ed: > Things in LENR are more complicated than you are stating. Sometimes gammas > are produced in LENR and most times it isn't. The cause of Gamma > thermalization is connected with a nuclear based positive feedback loop in > the energy conversion/thermalization mechanism. > But LENR can happen even when only gammas are produced. > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Mar 5, 2014 at 4:09 PM, Edmund Storms <stor...@ix.netcom.com> wrote: > Bob, we are discussing a basic and fundamental concept. The energy generated > when mass-energy is released requires emission of at least two particles for > the energy to be dissipated. I know of no example in nature where this > requirement does not operate when energy is released. If energy is not > released immediately, but is retained in the nucleus, this nucleus is found > to be unstable and will eventually release energy over a period of time by > emission of a particle, including a photon. This is how nature is found to > behave. Imagining otherwise is not useful unless you have observed support > for the idea. > > Ed Storms > > > > On Mar 5, 2014, at 2:01 PM, Bob Cook wrote: > >> Ed-- >> >> You said: >> >> >>Yes, that is what I'm saying. LENR can not result in a single alpha >> >>because two particles are required to conserve momentum when energy is >> >>released. << >> >> I note that, if there is no linear momentum to start, two particles would >> not be required. I do not believe conservation of angular momentum requires >> two particles either. And keep in mind that potential energy may be changed >> to the energy of angular momentum/spin energy in LENR. >> >> Bob >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Edmund Storms >> To: vortex-l@eskimo.com >> Cc: Edmund Storms >> Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2014 12:06 PM >> Subject: Re: [Vo]:"Christopher H. Cooper" >> >> >> On Mar 5, 2014, at 12:28 PM, Jones Beene wrote: >> >>> From: Edmund Storms >>> >>> Jones, bremsstrahlung or "slowing down radiation" is not >>> produced by photons. >>> >>> Who said it was? >> >> I'm not answering a claim. I'm simply giving information. You brought up >> photons by talking about gamma emissions, which are photons. You then added >> the production of bremsstrahlung, which I simply pointed out is not produced >> by gamma. >> >>> You brought up photons. I asked for adequate documentation >>> of intense photon emission - and am still waiting. >> >> I sent a list of references. If you want a copy of a particular paper to >> read, ask and I will send what I have. Unfortunately, I can not send using >> Vortex and I can not send all the papers. >>> >>> This is generated by energetic electrons or particles such >>> as alpha emission. LENR produces neither kind of radiation. >>> >>> What? Are you now saying that the helium you claim to see in Pd-D does not >>> begin as an alpha particles? >> >> Yes, that is what I'm saying. LENR can not result in a single alpha because >> two particles are required to conserve momentum when energy is released. >>> >>> Therefore, bremsstrahlung is not an issue because all the >>> mass-energy is dissipated as photons. >>> >>> There is no proof of this. >> >> The proof is in the behavior. This is the only conclusion consistent with >> all behavior. Unfortunately, a book is required to present this information >> in a form and as complete as you require. I'm attempting to do this. Please >> be patient. >> >>> >>> The only question is how this happens. I have proposed a >>> mechanism. The only issue is whether this mechanism is plausible and >>> consistent will all the other observations. >>> >>> It is not plausible if you cannot document photons sufficient to account for >>> the heat. >> >> I agree, the measurement of heat and radiation have not been done in a way >> to show a quantitative correlation. However, I suggest you apply this >> standard to the other explanations as well. If you do, I think you will have >> to agree that no explanation meeting this requirements presently exists, >> including your own. >> >> Ed Storms >>> >>> Where is the documentation? >>> >>> Jones >>> >>> >>> <winmail.dat> >> >> > >
