Ed, You haven't considered the work done by Piantelli on gamma radiation, Rossi's statement about pair production, and radiation seen in Rossi's early reactors (his first demo in January when gammas were seen at startup).
On Wed, Mar 5, 2014 at 4:29 PM, Edmund Storms <[email protected]> wrote: > Axil, I would be interested in your statements of absolute certainty if I > had not studied LENR in great depth. Nothing personal, but you do not know > what you are talking about. > > Ed Storms > > On Mar 5, 2014, at 2:17 PM, Axil Axil wrote: > > Ed: > Things in LENR are more complicated than you are stating. Sometimes gammas > are produced in LENR and most times it isn't. The cause of Gamma > thermalization is connected with a nuclear based positive feedback loop in > the energy conversion/thermalization mechanism. > But LENR can happen even when only gammas are produced. > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Mar 5, 2014 at 4:09 PM, Edmund Storms <[email protected]>wrote: > >> Bob, we are discussing a basic and fundamental concept. The energy >> generated when mass-energy is released requires emission of at least two >> particles for the energy to be dissipated. I know of no example in nature >> where this requirement does not operate when energy is released. If energy >> is not released immediately, but is retained in the nucleus, this nucleus >> is found to be unstable and will eventually release energy over a period of >> time by emission of a particle, including a photon. This is how nature is >> found to behave. Imagining otherwise is not useful unless you have observed >> support for the idea. >> >> Ed Storms >> >> >> >> On Mar 5, 2014, at 2:01 PM, Bob Cook wrote: >> >> Ed-- >> >> You said: >> >> >>Yes, that is what I'm saying. LENR can not result in a single alpha >> because two particles are required to conserve momentum when energy is >> released. << >> >> I note that, if there is no linear momentum to start, two particles would >> not be required. I do not believe conservation of angular momentum >> requires two particles either. And keep in mind that potential energy may >> be changed to the energy of angular momentum/spin energy in LENR. >> >> Bob >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> *From:* Edmund Storms <[email protected]> >> *To:* [email protected] >> *Cc:* Edmund Storms <[email protected]> >> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 05, 2014 12:06 PM >> *Subject:* Re: [Vo]:"Christopher H. Cooper" >> >> >> On Mar 5, 2014, at 12:28 PM, Jones Beene wrote: >> >> From: Edmund Storms >> >> Jones, bremsstrahlung or "slowing down radiation" is not >> produced by photons. >> >> Who said it was? >> >> >> I'm not answering a claim. I'm simply giving information. You brought up >> photons by talking about gamma emissions, which are photons. You then added >> the production of bremsstrahlung, which I simply pointed out is not >> produced by gamma. >> >> You brought up photons. I asked for adequate documentation >> of intense photon emission - and am still waiting. >> >> >> I sent a list of references. If you want a copy of a particular paper to >> read, ask and I will send what I have. Unfortunately, I can not send using >> Vortex and I can not send all the papers. >> >> >> This is generated by energetic electrons or particles such >> as alpha emission. LENR produces neither kind of radiation. >> >> What? Are you now saying that the helium you claim to see in Pd-D does not >> begin as an alpha particles? >> >> >> Yes, that is what I'm saying. LENR can not result in a single alpha >> because two particles are required to conserve momentum when energy is >> released. >> >> >> Therefore, bremsstrahlung is not an issue because all the >> mass-energy is dissipated as photons. >> >> There is no proof of this. >> >> >> The proof is in the behavior. This is the only conclusion consistent with >> all behavior. Unfortunately, a book is required to present this information >> in a form and as complete as you require. I'm attempting to do this. Please >> be patient. >> >> >> The only question is how this happens. I have proposed a >> mechanism. The only issue is whether this mechanism is plausible and >> consistent will all the other observations. >> >> It is not plausible if you cannot document photons sufficient to account >> for >> the heat. >> >> >> I agree, the measurement of heat and radiation have not been done in a >> way to show a quantitative correlation. However, I suggest you apply this >> standard to the other explanations as well. If you do, I think you will >> have to agree that no explanation meeting this requirements presently >> exists, including your own. >> >> Ed Storms >> >> >> Where is the documentation? >> >> Jones >> >> >> <winmail.dat> >> >> >> >> >> > >
