Another random Q: is there a contact at google to confirm any of this? -Andrew
On Aug 19, 2011, at 10:44 AM, Christian Grobmeier <grobme...@gmail.com> wrote: > On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 4:36 PM, Yuri Z <vega...@gmail.com> wrote: >> I mean that Google cleared it out that it donates the WIAB code along with >> the Wiki and logo to Apache. Is there anything else that should be cleared? > > Please take a look at this report: > http://incubator.apache.org/projects/alois.html > > I was confused because the wave project has somehow deleted these action > items. > > I see there was discussion in december because of CLAs. I assume > committers CLAs are all on file. > But I cannot find a message on the list that the code grant has > actually been sent by google - I guess some of the project can confirm > this has actually happened? > > If this is the case then everything should be fine and the status page > can be updated > > > >> >> 2011/8/19 Christian Grobmeier <grobme...@gmail.com> >> >>> On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 4:26 PM, Yuri Z <vega...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> AFAIK the IP issues were cleared with WIAB. >>> >>> I am sorry - what does that exactly mean? >>> If they have been cleared, there is a need to check the status items >>> on the incubation status page >>> http://incubator.apache.org/projects/wave.html >>> >>> >>> >>>> >>>> 2011/8/19 Christian Grobmeier <grobme...@gmail.com> >>>> >>>>>> Mercurial vs SVN >>>>>> Seems like SVN is viewed a legacy and a step back from Hg. >>>>> >>>>> I am not speaking for infrastructure of course, but I have heard this >>>>> dicussion for a while now. People always claim about SVN and want GIT. >>>>> Now you want Mercurial. All valid, but the usual answer from infra is: >>>>> not now. There are many problems with going to git, nobody has >>>>> mentioned hg yet. >>>>> At the moment there is git readonly support available: >>>>> http://git.apache.org/ >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> Project Wiki / Site >>>>>> Currently using Google Sites which has a much richer CMS interface >>> which >>>>> handles images, html tables, sub pages, attachments. The Apache CMS is >>>>> functional, but is not on par with google sites. It also seems like it >>> is >>>>> not being maintained going forward due to lack of time. >>>>> >>>>> other projects use other options. Some use mvn site to create their >>>>> site. I think over at openoffice podling Drupal is now being used. You >>>>> are not limited to use this CMS, in fact only a few do. You should >>>>> just now that infra usually prefers static html in svn (or has done in >>>>> the past). The Drupal instance - to my knowledge - is not maintained >>>>> by asf infra, but they have helped to setup a vm for it. If this are >>>>> options, you can ask on the ooo dev list how they made it. >>>>> >>>>> besides that, sites generated with Apache Forrest or Piwi are also >>>>> possible. >>>>> >>>>>> Reviewboard vs Reitveld >>>>>> Many of the wave developers voiced an opinion that the strongly >>> preferred >>>>> Reitveld over reviewboard. >>>>>> >>>>>> So basically, as Yuri pointed out there have been some technical >>> issues >>>>> in doing the migration, but I think the larger issue is that we are >>> simply >>>>> not that motivated to do the migration because the end state looks less >>>>> desirable than the state we are in now. So it's been hard to get people >>> to >>>>> volunteer their time to move us over. I think some of these issues are >>>>> valid and we should discuss them. If we REALLY feel like these >>>>> infrastructure options are hampering the growth of the project then I >>> think >>>>> we should start a discussion with the Infra group at apache to raise our >>>>> concerns. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> You should. I have been following wave for quite a while now and it >>>>> has become quiet. How many people are still -active- on Apache Wave? >>>>> How many have become silent because they were unhappy with the >>>>> environment? >>>>> >>>>> As I mentioned in another post, it looks like IP has not been cleared >>>>> for Wave yet. Or is it? >>>>> >>>>> For those who do not know, I am ASF member myself and active on the >>>>> incubator project. If can help a little bit please let me know. >>>>> >>>>> Cheers >>>>> Christian >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> If anyone would like to help in any regard, that would be great. >>>>>> >>>>>> ~Michael >>>>>> >>>>>> On Aug 19, 2011, at 6:11 AM, Yuri Z wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Michael should be following this mail list, so I guess he will >>> respond >>>>> as >>>>>>> soon as he can. In any way his email is michael.macfad...@gmail.com. >>>>>>> Regarding the migration status: >>>>>>> Currently the issues migrated to Apache, however the source code is >>>>> still at >>>>>>> the old wave-protocol google-code based repository. >>>>>>> The code migration got a bit delayed for two reasons as I see it: >>>>>>> 1. The technical one. The technical aspect of converting Mercurial >>>>>>> repository into Subversion is kind of challenging. There are a plenty >>> of >>>>>>> tools that allow to do the transition the other way (from SVN to >>>>> Mercurial). >>>>>>> I personally investigated this a bit and seems like it would require >>>>> first >>>>>>> to convert Hg to Git, the Git to SVN. >>>>>>> 2. The convenience. Well, converting from mercurial to SVN is kind of >>>>>>> downgrade, so there's little emotional motivation to do it. >>>>>>> 3. The inertial. Currently we have working process to submit patches >>>>> with >>>>>>> tested tools and code review integration. Migration to SVN and the >>>>> Review >>>>>>> Board will have it's learning curve and honestly, possibly won't be >>>>> better. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Also, we will probably have to move most of the Wiki that currently >>>>> resides >>>>>>> also on google-code, but that's less urgent. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 2011/8/19 Andrew Ragone <ajr9...@rit.edu> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Ok good to know. Is there a way we can reach out to him? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 10:29 PM, Matt Richards < >>> mricha...@gmail.com> >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> As far as I recall, I thought Michael MacFadden was taking the lead >>> on >>>>>>>>> infra >>>>>>>>> related items. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 8:00 PM, Andrew Ragone <ajr9...@rit.edu> >>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> So the important questions are: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> 1. Who is the most knowledgeable with the current state of the >>>>> project. >>>>>>>>>> 2. Who are the primary leaders of the group. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I wanna get the ball rolling on things again. We shouldn't just >>> sit >>>>> on >>>>>>>>>> the sidelines waiting for google or whoever to finish things. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> -Andrew >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Aug 18, 2011, at 6:24 PM, Matt Richards <mricha...@gmail.com> >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> There was great momentum when Google was actively pushing the >>>>>>>>> incubation >>>>>>>>>>> status and active on the project as a whole. Now that Google has >>>>>>>>> tapered >>>>>>>>>> off >>>>>>>>>>> (as I assumed they would), I'm not sure what the status of things >>>>> are >>>>>>>>> any >>>>>>>>>>> more. Nor who has taken the rains of leading the movement toward >>>>>>>> being >>>>>>>>>> fully >>>>>>>>>>> on Apache's infra. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 5:02 PM, Zachary “Gamer_Z.” Yaro >>>>>>>>>>> <zmy...@gmail.com>wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> +1 What parts of the project are where right now? And how long >>>>>>>> will >>>>>>>>> it >>>>>>>>>> be >>>>>>>>>>>> until Apache has everything? >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> --Zachary “Gamer_Z.” Yaro >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 17:47, Matt Richards < >>> mricha...@gmail.com> >>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> I've been kinda wondering the same thing. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 2:43 PM, Andrew Ragone < >>> ajr9...@rit.edu> >>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> It seems there is a huge lag in migration of the Project to >>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>> incubator. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> What is the status on this (eg. who has ownership of what) and >>>>>>>> what >>>>>>>>>> can >>>>>>>>>>>> I >>>>>>>>>>>>>> do >>>>>>>>>>>>>> to help migrate?! >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> -Andrew >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>> --Matt >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>> --Matt >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> --Matt >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> http://www.grobmeier.de >>>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> http://www.grobmeier.de >>> >> > > > > -- > http://www.grobmeier.de
