On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 4:26 PM, Yuri Z <vega...@gmail.com> wrote: > AFAIK the IP issues were cleared with WIAB.
I am sorry - what does that exactly mean? If they have been cleared, there is a need to check the status items on the incubation status page http://incubator.apache.org/projects/wave.html > > 2011/8/19 Christian Grobmeier <grobme...@gmail.com> > >> > Mercurial vs SVN >> > Seems like SVN is viewed a legacy and a step back from Hg. >> >> I am not speaking for infrastructure of course, but I have heard this >> dicussion for a while now. People always claim about SVN and want GIT. >> Now you want Mercurial. All valid, but the usual answer from infra is: >> not now. There are many problems with going to git, nobody has >> mentioned hg yet. >> At the moment there is git readonly support available: >> http://git.apache.org/ >> >> >> > Project Wiki / Site >> > Currently using Google Sites which has a much richer CMS interface which >> handles images, html tables, sub pages, attachments. The Apache CMS is >> functional, but is not on par with google sites. It also seems like it is >> not being maintained going forward due to lack of time. >> >> other projects use other options. Some use mvn site to create their >> site. I think over at openoffice podling Drupal is now being used. You >> are not limited to use this CMS, in fact only a few do. You should >> just now that infra usually prefers static html in svn (or has done in >> the past). The Drupal instance - to my knowledge - is not maintained >> by asf infra, but they have helped to setup a vm for it. If this are >> options, you can ask on the ooo dev list how they made it. >> >> besides that, sites generated with Apache Forrest or Piwi are also >> possible. >> >> > Reviewboard vs Reitveld >> > Many of the wave developers voiced an opinion that the strongly preferred >> Reitveld over reviewboard. >> > >> > So basically, as Yuri pointed out there have been some technical issues >> in doing the migration, but I think the larger issue is that we are simply >> not that motivated to do the migration because the end state looks less >> desirable than the state we are in now. So it's been hard to get people to >> volunteer their time to move us over. I think some of these issues are >> valid and we should discuss them. If we REALLY feel like these >> infrastructure options are hampering the growth of the project then I think >> we should start a discussion with the Infra group at apache to raise our >> concerns. >> >> >> You should. I have been following wave for quite a while now and it >> has become quiet. How many people are still -active- on Apache Wave? >> How many have become silent because they were unhappy with the >> environment? >> >> As I mentioned in another post, it looks like IP has not been cleared >> for Wave yet. Or is it? >> >> For those who do not know, I am ASF member myself and active on the >> incubator project. If can help a little bit please let me know. >> >> Cheers >> Christian >> >> >> >> >> > If anyone would like to help in any regard, that would be great. >> > >> > ~Michael >> > >> > On Aug 19, 2011, at 6:11 AM, Yuri Z wrote: >> > >> >> Michael should be following this mail list, so I guess he will respond >> as >> >> soon as he can. In any way his email is michael.macfad...@gmail.com. >> >> Regarding the migration status: >> >> Currently the issues migrated to Apache, however the source code is >> still at >> >> the old wave-protocol google-code based repository. >> >> The code migration got a bit delayed for two reasons as I see it: >> >> 1. The technical one. The technical aspect of converting Mercurial >> >> repository into Subversion is kind of challenging. There are a plenty of >> >> tools that allow to do the transition the other way (from SVN to >> Mercurial). >> >> I personally investigated this a bit and seems like it would require >> first >> >> to convert Hg to Git, the Git to SVN. >> >> 2. The convenience. Well, converting from mercurial to SVN is kind of >> >> downgrade, so there's little emotional motivation to do it. >> >> 3. The inertial. Currently we have working process to submit patches >> with >> >> tested tools and code review integration. Migration to SVN and the >> Review >> >> Board will have it's learning curve and honestly, possibly won't be >> better. >> >> >> >> Also, we will probably have to move most of the Wiki that currently >> resides >> >> also on google-code, but that's less urgent. >> >> >> >> 2011/8/19 Andrew Ragone <ajr9...@rit.edu> >> >> >> >>> Ok good to know. Is there a way we can reach out to him? >> >>> >> >>> On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 10:29 PM, Matt Richards <mricha...@gmail.com> >> >>> wrote: >> >>> >> >>>> As far as I recall, I thought Michael MacFadden was taking the lead on >> >>>> infra >> >>>> related items. >> >>>> >> >>>> On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 8:00 PM, Andrew Ragone <ajr9...@rit.edu> >> wrote: >> >>>> >> >>>>> So the important questions are: >> >>>>> >> >>>>> 1. Who is the most knowledgeable with the current state of the >> project. >> >>>>> 2. Who are the primary leaders of the group. >> >>>>> >> >>>>> I wanna get the ball rolling on things again. We shouldn't just sit >> on >> >>>>> the sidelines waiting for google or whoever to finish things. >> >>>>> >> >>>>> -Andrew >> >>>>> >> >>>>> On Aug 18, 2011, at 6:24 PM, Matt Richards <mricha...@gmail.com> >> >>> wrote: >> >>>>> >> >>>>>> There was great momentum when Google was actively pushing the >> >>>> incubation >> >>>>>> status and active on the project as a whole. Now that Google has >> >>>> tapered >> >>>>> off >> >>>>>> (as I assumed they would), I'm not sure what the status of things >> are >> >>>> any >> >>>>>> more. Nor who has taken the rains of leading the movement toward >> >>> being >> >>>>> fully >> >>>>>> on Apache's infra. >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 5:02 PM, Zachary “Gamer_Z.” Yaro >> >>>>>> <zmy...@gmail.com>wrote: >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>>> +1 What parts of the project are where right now? And how long >> >>> will >> >>>> it >> >>>>> be >> >>>>>>> until Apache has everything? >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> --Zachary “Gamer_Z.” Yaro >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 17:47, Matt Richards <mricha...@gmail.com> >> >>>>> wrote: >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> I've been kinda wondering the same thing. >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 2:43 PM, Andrew Ragone <ajr9...@rit.edu> >> >>>>> wrote: >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> It seems there is a huge lag in migration of the Project to the >> >>>>>>>> incubator. >> >>>>>>>>> What is the status on this (eg. who has ownership of what) and >> >>> what >> >>>>> can >> >>>>>>> I >> >>>>>>>>> do >> >>>>>>>>> to help migrate?! >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> -Andrew >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> -- >> >>>>>>>> --Matt >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> -- >> >>>>>> --Matt >> >>>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> -- >> >>>> --Matt >> >>>> >> >>> >> > >> > >> >> >> >> -- >> http://www.grobmeier.de >> > -- http://www.grobmeier.de
