On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 4:36 PM, Yuri Z <vega...@gmail.com> wrote: > I mean that Google cleared it out that it donates the WIAB code along with > the Wiki and logo to Apache. Is there anything else that should be cleared?
Please take a look at this report: http://incubator.apache.org/projects/alois.html I was confused because the wave project has somehow deleted these action items. I see there was discussion in december because of CLAs. I assume committers CLAs are all on file. But I cannot find a message on the list that the code grant has actually been sent by google - I guess some of the project can confirm this has actually happened? If this is the case then everything should be fine and the status page can be updated > > 2011/8/19 Christian Grobmeier <grobme...@gmail.com> > >> On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 4:26 PM, Yuri Z <vega...@gmail.com> wrote: >> > AFAIK the IP issues were cleared with WIAB. >> >> I am sorry - what does that exactly mean? >> If they have been cleared, there is a need to check the status items >> on the incubation status page >> http://incubator.apache.org/projects/wave.html >> >> >> >> > >> > 2011/8/19 Christian Grobmeier <grobme...@gmail.com> >> > >> >> > Mercurial vs SVN >> >> > Seems like SVN is viewed a legacy and a step back from Hg. >> >> >> >> I am not speaking for infrastructure of course, but I have heard this >> >> dicussion for a while now. People always claim about SVN and want GIT. >> >> Now you want Mercurial. All valid, but the usual answer from infra is: >> >> not now. There are many problems with going to git, nobody has >> >> mentioned hg yet. >> >> At the moment there is git readonly support available: >> >> http://git.apache.org/ >> >> >> >> >> >> > Project Wiki / Site >> >> > Currently using Google Sites which has a much richer CMS interface >> which >> >> handles images, html tables, sub pages, attachments. The Apache CMS is >> >> functional, but is not on par with google sites. It also seems like it >> is >> >> not being maintained going forward due to lack of time. >> >> >> >> other projects use other options. Some use mvn site to create their >> >> site. I think over at openoffice podling Drupal is now being used. You >> >> are not limited to use this CMS, in fact only a few do. You should >> >> just now that infra usually prefers static html in svn (or has done in >> >> the past). The Drupal instance - to my knowledge - is not maintained >> >> by asf infra, but they have helped to setup a vm for it. If this are >> >> options, you can ask on the ooo dev list how they made it. >> >> >> >> besides that, sites generated with Apache Forrest or Piwi are also >> >> possible. >> >> >> >> > Reviewboard vs Reitveld >> >> > Many of the wave developers voiced an opinion that the strongly >> preferred >> >> Reitveld over reviewboard. >> >> > >> >> > So basically, as Yuri pointed out there have been some technical >> issues >> >> in doing the migration, but I think the larger issue is that we are >> simply >> >> not that motivated to do the migration because the end state looks less >> >> desirable than the state we are in now. So it's been hard to get people >> to >> >> volunteer their time to move us over. I think some of these issues are >> >> valid and we should discuss them. If we REALLY feel like these >> >> infrastructure options are hampering the growth of the project then I >> think >> >> we should start a discussion with the Infra group at apache to raise our >> >> concerns. >> >> >> >> >> >> You should. I have been following wave for quite a while now and it >> >> has become quiet. How many people are still -active- on Apache Wave? >> >> How many have become silent because they were unhappy with the >> >> environment? >> >> >> >> As I mentioned in another post, it looks like IP has not been cleared >> >> for Wave yet. Or is it? >> >> >> >> For those who do not know, I am ASF member myself and active on the >> >> incubator project. If can help a little bit please let me know. >> >> >> >> Cheers >> >> Christian >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > If anyone would like to help in any regard, that would be great. >> >> > >> >> > ~Michael >> >> > >> >> > On Aug 19, 2011, at 6:11 AM, Yuri Z wrote: >> >> > >> >> >> Michael should be following this mail list, so I guess he will >> respond >> >> as >> >> >> soon as he can. In any way his email is michael.macfad...@gmail.com. >> >> >> Regarding the migration status: >> >> >> Currently the issues migrated to Apache, however the source code is >> >> still at >> >> >> the old wave-protocol google-code based repository. >> >> >> The code migration got a bit delayed for two reasons as I see it: >> >> >> 1. The technical one. The technical aspect of converting Mercurial >> >> >> repository into Subversion is kind of challenging. There are a plenty >> of >> >> >> tools that allow to do the transition the other way (from SVN to >> >> Mercurial). >> >> >> I personally investigated this a bit and seems like it would require >> >> first >> >> >> to convert Hg to Git, the Git to SVN. >> >> >> 2. The convenience. Well, converting from mercurial to SVN is kind of >> >> >> downgrade, so there's little emotional motivation to do it. >> >> >> 3. The inertial. Currently we have working process to submit patches >> >> with >> >> >> tested tools and code review integration. Migration to SVN and the >> >> Review >> >> >> Board will have it's learning curve and honestly, possibly won't be >> >> better. >> >> >> >> >> >> Also, we will probably have to move most of the Wiki that currently >> >> resides >> >> >> also on google-code, but that's less urgent. >> >> >> >> >> >> 2011/8/19 Andrew Ragone <ajr9...@rit.edu> >> >> >> >> >> >>> Ok good to know. Is there a way we can reach out to him? >> >> >>> >> >> >>> On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 10:29 PM, Matt Richards < >> mricha...@gmail.com> >> >> >>> wrote: >> >> >>> >> >> >>>> As far as I recall, I thought Michael MacFadden was taking the lead >> on >> >> >>>> infra >> >> >>>> related items. >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 8:00 PM, Andrew Ragone <ajr9...@rit.edu> >> >> wrote: >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>>> So the important questions are: >> >> >>>>> >> >> >>>>> 1. Who is the most knowledgeable with the current state of the >> >> project. >> >> >>>>> 2. Who are the primary leaders of the group. >> >> >>>>> >> >> >>>>> I wanna get the ball rolling on things again. We shouldn't just >> sit >> >> on >> >> >>>>> the sidelines waiting for google or whoever to finish things. >> >> >>>>> >> >> >>>>> -Andrew >> >> >>>>> >> >> >>>>> On Aug 18, 2011, at 6:24 PM, Matt Richards <mricha...@gmail.com> >> >> >>> wrote: >> >> >>>>> >> >> >>>>>> There was great momentum when Google was actively pushing the >> >> >>>> incubation >> >> >>>>>> status and active on the project as a whole. Now that Google has >> >> >>>> tapered >> >> >>>>> off >> >> >>>>>> (as I assumed they would), I'm not sure what the status of things >> >> are >> >> >>>> any >> >> >>>>>> more. Nor who has taken the rains of leading the movement toward >> >> >>> being >> >> >>>>> fully >> >> >>>>>> on Apache's infra. >> >> >>>>>> >> >> >>>>>> On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 5:02 PM, Zachary “Gamer_Z.” Yaro >> >> >>>>>> <zmy...@gmail.com>wrote: >> >> >>>>>> >> >> >>>>>>> +1 What parts of the project are where right now? And how long >> >> >>> will >> >> >>>> it >> >> >>>>> be >> >> >>>>>>> until Apache has everything? >> >> >>>>>>> >> >> >>>>>>> --Zachary “Gamer_Z.” Yaro >> >> >>>>>>> >> >> >>>>>>> >> >> >>>>>>> On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 17:47, Matt Richards < >> mricha...@gmail.com> >> >> >>>>> wrote: >> >> >>>>>>> >> >> >>>>>>>> I've been kinda wondering the same thing. >> >> >>>>>>>> >> >> >>>>>>>> On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 2:43 PM, Andrew Ragone < >> ajr9...@rit.edu> >> >> >>>>> wrote: >> >> >>>>>>>> >> >> >>>>>>>>> It seems there is a huge lag in migration of the Project to >> the >> >> >>>>>>>> incubator. >> >> >>>>>>>>> What is the status on this (eg. who has ownership of what) and >> >> >>> what >> >> >>>>> can >> >> >>>>>>> I >> >> >>>>>>>>> do >> >> >>>>>>>>> to help migrate?! >> >> >>>>>>>>> >> >> >>>>>>>>> -Andrew >> >> >>>>>>>>> >> >> >>>>>>>> >> >> >>>>>>>> >> >> >>>>>>>> >> >> >>>>>>>> -- >> >> >>>>>>>> --Matt >> >> >>>>>>>> >> >> >>>>>>> >> >> >>>>>> >> >> >>>>>> >> >> >>>>>> >> >> >>>>>> -- >> >> >>>>>> --Matt >> >> >>>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> -- >> >> >>>> --Matt >> >> >>>> >> >> >>> >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> http://www.grobmeier.de >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> -- >> http://www.grobmeier.de >> > -- http://www.grobmeier.de
