Thanks Dan! I'll add that information to the status page now to avoid confusion in future
On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 5:30 PM, Dan Peterson <dpeter...@google.com> wrote: > Yes, this is covered. > > On 22 December 2010 I (dpeter...@google.com) submitted the appropriate > materials for the grant from Google to Apache (secret...@apache.org). Less > than 2 hours later, Craig L Russel (craig.russ...@sun.com) acknowledged > receipt. > > I'll follow-up on the general thread as well, so there isn't any confusion. > > Regards, > -Dan > > On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 8:01 AM, Christian Grobmeier > <grobme...@gmail.com>wrote: > >> I will ask at the general@incubator list - pretty sure somebody can >> look into the documents archive there. >> If a code grant has been sent, it must be there >> >> On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 4:59 PM, Andrew Ragone <ajr9...@rit.edu> wrote: >> > Another random Q: is there a contact at google to confirm any of this? >> > >> > -Andrew >> > >> > On Aug 19, 2011, at 10:44 AM, Christian Grobmeier <grobme...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> > >> >> On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 4:36 PM, Yuri Z <vega...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> I mean that Google cleared it out that it donates the WIAB code along >> with >> >>> the Wiki and logo to Apache. Is there anything else that should be >> cleared? >> >> >> >> Please take a look at this report: >> >> http://incubator.apache.org/projects/alois.html >> >> >> >> I was confused because the wave project has somehow deleted these action >> items. >> >> >> >> I see there was discussion in december because of CLAs. I assume >> >> committers CLAs are all on file. >> >> But I cannot find a message on the list that the code grant has >> >> actually been sent by google - I guess some of the project can confirm >> >> this has actually happened? >> >> >> >> If this is the case then everything should be fine and the status page >> >> can be updated >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >>> 2011/8/19 Christian Grobmeier <grobme...@gmail.com> >> >>> >> >>>> On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 4:26 PM, Yuri Z <vega...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>>>> AFAIK the IP issues were cleared with WIAB. >> >>>> >> >>>> I am sorry - what does that exactly mean? >> >>>> If they have been cleared, there is a need to check the status items >> >>>> on the incubation status page >> >>>> http://incubator.apache.org/projects/wave.html >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> 2011/8/19 Christian Grobmeier <grobme...@gmail.com> >> >>>>> >> >>>>>>> Mercurial vs SVN >> >>>>>>> Seems like SVN is viewed a legacy and a step back from Hg. >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> I am not speaking for infrastructure of course, but I have heard >> this >> >>>>>> dicussion for a while now. People always claim about SVN and want >> GIT. >> >>>>>> Now you want Mercurial. All valid, but the usual answer from infra >> is: >> >>>>>> not now. There are many problems with going to git, nobody has >> >>>>>> mentioned hg yet. >> >>>>>> At the moment there is git readonly support available: >> >>>>>> http://git.apache.org/ >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>>> Project Wiki / Site >> >>>>>>> Currently using Google Sites which has a much richer CMS interface >> >>>> which >> >>>>>> handles images, html tables, sub pages, attachments. The Apache CMS >> is >> >>>>>> functional, but is not on par with google sites. It also seems like >> it >> >>>> is >> >>>>>> not being maintained going forward due to lack of time. >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> other projects use other options. Some use mvn site to create their >> >>>>>> site. I think over at openoffice podling Drupal is now being used. >> You >> >>>>>> are not limited to use this CMS, in fact only a few do. You should >> >>>>>> just now that infra usually prefers static html in svn (or has done >> in >> >>>>>> the past). The Drupal instance - to my knowledge - is not maintained >> >>>>>> by asf infra, but they have helped to setup a vm for it. If this are >> >>>>>> options, you can ask on the ooo dev list how they made it. >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> besides that, sites generated with Apache Forrest or Piwi are also >> >>>>>> possible. >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>>> Reviewboard vs Reitveld >> >>>>>>> Many of the wave developers voiced an opinion that the strongly >> >>>> preferred >> >>>>>> Reitveld over reviewboard. >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> So basically, as Yuri pointed out there have been some technical >> >>>> issues >> >>>>>> in doing the migration, but I think the larger issue is that we are >> >>>> simply >> >>>>>> not that motivated to do the migration because the end state looks >> less >> >>>>>> desirable than the state we are in now. So it's been hard to get >> people >> >>>> to >> >>>>>> volunteer their time to move us over. I think some of these issues >> are >> >>>>>> valid and we should discuss them. If we REALLY feel like these >> >>>>>> infrastructure options are hampering the growth of the project then >> I >> >>>> think >> >>>>>> we should start a discussion with the Infra group at apache to raise >> our >> >>>>>> concerns. >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> You should. I have been following wave for quite a while now and it >> >>>>>> has become quiet. How many people are still -active- on Apache Wave? >> >>>>>> How many have become silent because they were unhappy with the >> >>>>>> environment? >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> As I mentioned in another post, it looks like IP has not been >> cleared >> >>>>>> for Wave yet. Or is it? >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> For those who do not know, I am ASF member myself and active on the >> >>>>>> incubator project. If can help a little bit please let me know. >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> Cheers >> >>>>>> Christian >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>>> If anyone would like to help in any regard, that would be great. >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> ~Michael >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> On Aug 19, 2011, at 6:11 AM, Yuri Z wrote: >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> Michael should be following this mail list, so I guess he will >> >>>> respond >> >>>>>> as >> >>>>>>>> soon as he can. In any way his email is >> michael.macfad...@gmail.com. >> >>>>>>>> Regarding the migration status: >> >>>>>>>> Currently the issues migrated to Apache, however the source code >> is >> >>>>>> still at >> >>>>>>>> the old wave-protocol google-code based repository. >> >>>>>>>> The code migration got a bit delayed for two reasons as I see it: >> >>>>>>>> 1. The technical one. The technical aspect of converting Mercurial >> >>>>>>>> repository into Subversion is kind of challenging. There are a >> plenty >> >>>> of >> >>>>>>>> tools that allow to do the transition the other way (from SVN to >> >>>>>> Mercurial). >> >>>>>>>> I personally investigated this a bit and seems like it would >> require >> >>>>>> first >> >>>>>>>> to convert Hg to Git, the Git to SVN. >> >>>>>>>> 2. The convenience. Well, converting from mercurial to SVN is kind >> of >> >>>>>>>> downgrade, so there's little emotional motivation to do it. >> >>>>>>>> 3. The inertial. Currently we have working process to submit >> patches >> >>>>>> with >> >>>>>>>> tested tools and code review integration. Migration to SVN and the >> >>>>>> Review >> >>>>>>>> Board will have it's learning curve and honestly, possibly won't >> be >> >>>>>> better. >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> Also, we will probably have to move most of the Wiki that >> currently >> >>>>>> resides >> >>>>>>>> also on google-code, but that's less urgent. >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> 2011/8/19 Andrew Ragone <ajr9...@rit.edu> >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> Ok good to know. Is there a way we can reach out to him? >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 10:29 PM, Matt Richards < >> >>>> mricha...@gmail.com> >> >>>>>>>>> wrote: >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> As far as I recall, I thought Michael MacFadden was taking the >> lead >> >>>> on >> >>>>>>>>>> infra >> >>>>>>>>>> related items. >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 8:00 PM, Andrew Ragone <ajr9...@rit.edu >> > >> >>>>>> wrote: >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> So the important questions are: >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> 1. Who is the most knowledgeable with the current state of the >> >>>>>> project. >> >>>>>>>>>>> 2. Who are the primary leaders of the group. >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> I wanna get the ball rolling on things again. We shouldn't just >> >>>> sit >> >>>>>> on >> >>>>>>>>>>> the sidelines waiting for google or whoever to finish things. >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> -Andrew >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> On Aug 18, 2011, at 6:24 PM, Matt Richards < >> mricha...@gmail.com> >> >>>>>>>>> wrote: >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> There was great momentum when Google was actively pushing the >> >>>>>>>>>> incubation >> >>>>>>>>>>>> status and active on the project as a whole. Now that Google >> has >> >>>>>>>>>> tapered >> >>>>>>>>>>> off >> >>>>>>>>>>>> (as I assumed they would), I'm not sure what the status of >> things >> >>>>>> are >> >>>>>>>>>> any >> >>>>>>>>>>>> more. Nor who has taken the rains of leading the movement >> toward >> >>>>>>>>> being >> >>>>>>>>>>> fully >> >>>>>>>>>>>> on Apache's infra. >> >>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 5:02 PM, Zachary “Gamer_Z.” Yaro >> >>>>>>>>>>>> <zmy...@gmail.com>wrote: >> >>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> +1 What parts of the project are where right now? And how >> long >> >>>>>>>>> will >> >>>>>>>>>> it >> >>>>>>>>>>> be >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> until Apache has everything? >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> --Zachary “Gamer_Z.” Yaro >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 17:47, Matt Richards < >> >>>> mricha...@gmail.com> >> >>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've been kinda wondering the same thing. >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 2:43 PM, Andrew Ragone < >> >>>> ajr9...@rit.edu> >> >>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It seems there is a huge lag in migration of the Project to >> >>>> the >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> incubator. >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What is the status on this (eg. who has ownership of what) >> and >> >>>>>>>>> what >> >>>>>>>>>>> can >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> I >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> do >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to help migrate?! >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -Andrew >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> --Matt >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> -- >> >>>>>>>>>>>> --Matt >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> -- >> >>>>>>>>>> --Matt >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> -- >> >>>>>> http://www.grobmeier.de >> >>>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> -- >> >>>> http://www.grobmeier.de >> >>>> >> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> http://www.grobmeier.de >> > >> >> >> >> -- >> http://www.grobmeier.de >> > -- http://www.grobmeier.de
