Susan Duncan wrote:
>
> I'll not quote your whole message and this likely a waste of time, however
> it has been my experience that anyone who is so adamant about one platform
> over another has never really worked with one of the platforms and is
> talking from inexperience and lack of knowledge.
*chuckle* Agreed, partially.
> I could go on about how a properly set up NT server runs for months and
> months without rebooting and that day to day operations can be handled by
> non-techies. For many mid-sized companies this is the perfect solutions.
I would argue, though, IF, and only IF, you put 100% MS products on it.
I have seen it done that way, but each and every person who claimed to
do it with any kind of third party combinations eventually eats their
words.
But, if you do that, you live with third rate products almost all
around.
> Rich Kulawiec wrote:
>
> > Bulls**t. *Nobody* needs NT except those people who have allowed
> > themselves to be taken in by Microsoft's marketing hype (the only
> > thing they're truly good at). Unix/Linux systems have been superior
> > all along, and continue to remain so, with NT so far behind that
> > it's ludicrous to suggest that it's even in the running.
I would agree that no one *needs* NT. No one *needs* a .dll driven
pseudo-multitasking OS that is not friendly to multiple users per client
and is licensed to encourage sucking you into a never ending chain of
half-finished upgrades and closed standards. Especially when each and
every one of those things could be designed out of the system . . . but
only at the risk of sending the entire client base to Unix (after
they've already committed their bleak future to NT at MS).
However, if the question becomes "are there people who simply won't
bother to invest the time or money to learn the best way to do things,
are willing to base their futures on advertising over specifications,
must have a point and click idiot proof interface and don't understand
the value of Quality (with a capital Q, not "well, it booted didn't it?"
quality)--AND IS THIS THEIR RIGHT? Well, the answer is yes, these
people exist and have every right to ask (and pay for) for that.
They're all over. They value their time, and the time they save cutting
corners with MS is more valuable than time spent learning Unix. This is
what MS knows and caters to.
I hate MS products, both for how they work and what they represent.
However, I am open to them, if deployed with careful consideration for
what they are capable of, and how they limit you. But I did send
another IIS/ASP advocate packing from a sales pitch Monday with a simple
question: "What's the maintenance cost of the system you just pitched
10 years from now?" He kindly tossed out today's costs. I asked him to
extrapolate from those, based on the past ten year's increase in MS
product prices, a reasonable guess, and let me know how close it came to
the budget.
He got back to me this afternoon, asking if he could come in with a
Linux/PERL or Solaris/CF solution. :)
And that, for me is the bottom line . . . but it's really how you value
time and money more than anything else.
B
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