On 22 Sep 98, at 16:15, Brett Lorenzen wrote:

> exist and have every right to ask (and pay for) for that. They're all
> over.  They value their time, and the time they save cutting corners with
> MS is more valuable than time spent learning Unix.  This is what MS knows
> and caters to.

I think windows has some useful software. I can see it on a desktop.

But I don't see ms going into the server business.  Someone mentioned 
"software out of the box" and I believe they implied that MS produced 
that.  Gee, I cannot begin to count the number of "software out of 
the box" products that I use on my Linux intranet site or my BSD 
websites.  I just installed majordomo and the MajorCool interface to 
majordomo (I have 2 books on mailing lists and I can do it manually 
but the interface looks easy and has nice setup for people to easily 
subscribe).

http://ncrinfo.ncr.com/pub/contrib/unix/MajorCool/

And it is free. And I can use what I want or like and change it if I 
want.

And nearly everything I do in Perl involves a module that someone 
else has written.

When I do things myself it is almost implied that I am doing within a 
user community that helps and supports one another.

> what they are capable of, and how they limit you.  But I did send another
> IIS/ASP advocate packing from a sales pitch Monday with a simple question:
>  "What's the maintenance cost of the system you just pitched 10 years from
> now?"  He kindly tossed out today's costs.  I asked him to extrapolate
> from those, based on the past ten year's increase in MS product prices, a
> reasonable guess, and let me know how close it came to the budget.
> 
> He got back to me this afternoon, asking if he could come in with a
> Linux/PERL or Solaris/CF solution.  :)

ASP implies better performance, but mod_perl solves that.  And again, 
mod_perl is "open software".  You get the source and you can be part 
of the team that improves it.

I think that linux,mod_perl,Perl, Apache and mySQL make a great team 
for an intranet or internet.  I cannot imagine suggesting NT as an 
alternative. Yet I still use NT on my desktop machine.

Peter
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