On Thu, Oct 01, 1998 at 11:03:05PM -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Learn Emacs if you can't use pico.

Same problem: you can't deal with systems in single-user mode or in
boot-off-cdrom mode if all you know is Emacs.  Emacs is also *the*
canonical example of creeping featurism, and is an incredibly bloated
piece of software.  It's just as bad, in its own way, as Lotus Notes.

>    This is, unfortunately, true in some cases.  but there is Jot and
> whatever else on other platforms, once you get X up.

X-based editors are of no use during remote sessions (e.g. via telnet)
and present particular problems with security, since running them
requires opening up far more holes than (say) running a curses-based
editor via ssh.

>    Vi requires far too many keystrokes, and has far too many modes. 

Complete and utter nonsense.  Have you actually LEARNED vi?  I have.
(And I've learned ed, xed, re, ned, e, emacs, and a bunch of other
editors as well.)  Vi is the most economical of all of them, which
is why it is the concensus choice of the default editor in the
Unix/Linux community.

It also has two, count 'em, 2 modes.

> > Pine is dead, as is elm.  Mutt has subsumed and supplanted both.
> 
>    You mean I have been using a dead mail handler for how many years?
> Looks remarkably alive to me.

The fact that you're using it (just like the fact that I used Elm
until this year) does not mean it's alive.  It is dead because (pick
any you like) its progenitor, Elm, is dead; because no significant
development has taken place with it in some time; because it's not
being ported to new OS releases; because its feature set is largely
stagnant; and because a better piece of software with a superset
of its features has come along.

---Rsk
Rich Kulawiec
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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