On 31 Aug 98, at 9:24, Ivan Sergio Borgonovo wrote:

> > On 30 Aug 98, at 21:54, Ivan Sergio Borgonovo wrote:
> 
> > > I have to admit that ASP offers a really nice feature... the 
> > > possibility to mix in the same file HTML and a server side scripting
> > > language, but I've heard there are scripting languages on unix
> > > plattaform that offer the same feature (there is also an ASP clone).
> 
> > Unless I am wrong the real advantage of ASP is that it runs in the
> > Server and not as a separate process.  It is simple enough to stick a
> > bunch of exec calls in html to create pages on the fly.  There are
> > plenty of scripting languages in the unix world. I simply use the basic
> > ssi and perl.
> 
> OK. Have you read my email to the end?

Uhhh...yeah.  My point was that the advantage of ASP was not mixing 
html with server interpreted commands.  That has been around for a 
long time -- there is nothing new about it.  ASP is more like 
mod_perl.

> However running application in the same memory area has its 
> advantages and its disadvantages.

As far as I know you have no choice as far as ASP is concerned. Or am 
I wrong.

>From what I have convinced myself into believing about mod_perl you 
can upload a new version of a script and it will be loaded.  You do 
not need to restart the server.

> OK I'll give you an idea of my experience.
> I've got a P133 machine running NT WS, PWS, ASP, a Proxy 
> server and an ODBC link to an Access DB.
> There are 2 EIDE HD (1.7 Mbytes/sec), 48Mb RAM and a Realtek 
> network card (10Mbit/s).

> On our server, dual processor PPro, lotta Ram, fast SCSI HD, 
> running MS SQL server, email server (I cant be more specific for 
> my ignorance), 2 virtual sites, ASP, a quite large DB, things run 
> very fast... but actually that server cost as a new car, I think more than
> 9,000$.

Okay, the big question is how often does it go down?  Does it crash? 
Do you ever have to restart it?  My website running on BSDi will run 
for months on end -- and it is a shared server with all sorts of 
things running the background.  How is the NT doing?


> Just to be understod... what I mean when I say you can mix HTML 
> and server side scripting on the same file is:

Yeah, well as I said it is just as easy to just call a script rather 
than pretend it's an html file. When I work with designers I tell 
them to give me what they want before, and after, and create the html 
to handle errors. I then glue it all together. BTW, perl has a 
feature (which oddly many people ignore) called the here_doc:

print  <<END;
put anything here
or here, and insert a $variable or so
END

or even better, I use this:

print qq|
and print
what every I 
want with variables and all
|;

It thus can be made very simple to go back and change html.  I have 
seen many scripts which are just a complete mess.

Peter
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