Hi everyone,
FYI, there is an ongoing Wikimedia IEG project (main grantee in CC),
which seems to be following a related direction:
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:IEG/A_graphical_and_interactive_etymology_dictionary_based_on_Wiktionary
Its first phase will translate Wiktionary into machine-readable data.
I think it is worth to consider reusing its outcome if possible, since
it may fit into the Wikidata data model:
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants_talk:IEG/A_graphical_and_interactive_etymology_dictionary_based_on_Wiktionary#Translation_to_the_Wikidata_Data_Model
Cheers,
Marco
On 9/14/16 10:51, Léa Lacroix wrote:
Hello,
Thanks a lot for your questions and feedbacks. Here are some answers, I
hope these will be useful.
/- How wikidata and wiktionary databases will be synchronized?/
New entity types will be created in Wikidata database, with new ids (ex.
L for lexemes). A Wiktionary will have the possibility to include data
from Wikidata in their pages (the complete entity or only some chosen
statements, as the community decides)
/- Will editing wiktionary change?/
Yes, changes will happen, but we're working on making editing Wiktionary
easier. Soon as we can provide some mockups, we will share them with you
for collecting feedbacks.
/- Will bots be allowed/able to edit wiktionary pages after the support
of wikidata in wiktionary?/
Yes, of course, we want the data to be machine-readable and editable,
and with the new structure, bots will be able to edit data stored in
Wikidata and still Wiktionary pages.
/- Can an edit in a wiktionary A break wiktionary B?/
Data about lexemes will be stored on Wikidata, and Wiktionaries will
choose if they want to use this data, which part of it and how. Yes, if
an information stored in Wikidata and displayed on several Wiktionaries
is modified, via Wikidata or a Wiktionary interface, this will affect
all the pages where the information is included.
Because Wikidata is a multilingual project, we already have to deal with
the language issue, and we hope that with the increase of the numbers of
editors coming from Wikidata and Wiktionaries, it will become easier to
find people with at least one common language to communicate between the
different projects.
/- What else can provide wikidata to wiktionary?/
Machine-readable data will allow users to create new tools, useful for
editors, based on the communities' needs. By helping the different
communities (Wiktionaries and Wikidata) working together on the same
project, we expect a growth of the number of people editing the
lexicographical data, providing more review and a better quality of the
data. Finally, when centralized and structured, the data will be easily
reusable by third parties, other websites or applications... and give a
better visibility of the volunteers' work.
On 13 September 2016 at 22:53, Amirouche Boubekki
<[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Héllo,
I am very happy of this news.
I a wiki newbie interested in using wikidata to do text analysis.
I try to follow the discussion here and on french wiktionary.
I take this as opportunity to try to sum up some concerns that are
raised on french wiktionary [0]:
- How wikidata and wiktionary databases will be synchronized?
- Will editing wiktionary change? The concern is that this will make
editing wiktionary more difficult for people.
- Also, what about bots. Will bots be allowed/able to edit
wiktionary pages after the support of wikidata in wiktionary?
- Another concern is that if edits are done in some wiktionary and
that edit has an impact on another wiktionary. People will have
trouble to reconcil their opinion given they don't speak the same
language. Can an edit in a wiktionary A break wiktionary B?
I understand that wikidata requires new code to support the
organisation of new relations between the data. I understand that
with wikidata it will be easy to create interwiki links and
thesaurus kind of pages but what else can provide wikidata to
wiktionary?
[0] https://fr.wiktionary.org/wiki/Projet:Coop%C3%A9ration/Wikidata
<https://fr.wiktionary.org/wiki/Projet:Coop%C3%A9ration/Wikidata>
Thanks,
i⋅am⋅amz3
On 2016-09-13 15:17, Lydia Pintscher wrote:
Hey everyone :)
Wiktionary is our third-largest sister project, both in term of
active
editors and readers. It is a unique resource, with the goal to
provide
a dictionary for every language, in every language. Since the
beginning of Wikidata but increasingly over the past months I have
been getting more and more requests for supporting Wiktionary and
lexicographical data in Wikidata. Having this data available openly
and freely licensed would be a major step forward in automated
translation, text analysis, text generation and much more. It will
enable and ease research. And most importantly it will enable the
individual Wiktionary communities to work more closely together and
benefit from each other’s work.
With this and the increased demand to support Wikimedia Commons with
Wikidata, we have looked at the bigger picture and our options. I am
seeing a lot of overlap in the work we need to do to support
Wiktionary and Commons. I am also seeing increasing pressure to
store
lexicographical data in existing items (which would be bad for many
reasons).
Because of this we will start implementing support for Wiktionary in
parallel to Commons based on our annual plan and quarterly plans. We
contacted several of our partners in order to get funding for this
additional work. I am happy that Google agreed to provide funding
(restricted to work on Wikidata). With this we can reorganize
our team
and set up one part of the team to continue working on building out
the core of Wikidata and support for Wikipedia and Commons and the
other part will concentrate on Wiktionary. (To support and to extend
our work around Wikidata with the help of external funding
sources was
our plan in our annual plan 2016:
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:APG/Proposals/2015-2016_round1/Wikimedia_Deutschland_e.V./Proposal_form#Financials:_current_funding_period
<https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:APG/Proposals/2015-2016_round1/Wikimedia_Deutschland_e.V./Proposal_form#Financials:_current_funding_period>)
As a next step I’d like us all to have another careful look at the
latest proposal at
https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Wiktionary/Development
<https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Wiktionary/Development>.
It has
been online for input in its current form for a year and the first
version is 3 years old now. So I am confident that the proposal
is in
a good shape to start implementation. However I’d like to do a last
round of feedback with you all to make sure the concept really is
sane. To make it easier to understand there is now also a pdf
explaining the concept in a slightly different way:
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikidata_for_Wiktionary_announcement.pdf
<https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikidata_for_Wiktionary_announcement.pdf>
Please do go ahead and review it. If you have comments or questions
please leave them on the talk page of the latest proposal at
https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata_talk:Wiktionary/Development/Proposals/2015-05
<https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata_talk:Wiktionary/Development/Proposals/2015-05>.
I’d be especially interested in feedback from editors who are
familiar
with both Wiktionary and Wikidata.
Getting support for Wiktionary done - just like for Commons - will
take some time but I am really excited about the opportunities
it will
open up especially for languages that have so far not gotten much or
any technological support.
Cheers
Lydia
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