Yes, there should be some connection between items and lexemes, but I am
still hazy about details on how exactly this should look like. If someone
could actually make a strawman proposal, that would be great.

I think the connection should live in the statement space, and not be on
the level of labels, but that is just a hunch. I'd be happy to see
proposals incoming.

On Thu, Sep 15, 2016 at 10:00 PM Gerard Meijssen <>

> Hoi,
> Please understand that for every label for a current item in Wikidata
> there should be one lexeme. It would be really helpful when all the new
> lexemes added are associated with labels. You will then be able to show an
> item with the conjugation as is preferred for a language.Currently this is
> not our practise.
> When we associate labels with lexemes, we have in fact the missing
> functionality like indicating that a specific lexeme was preferred up to a
> point. It allows for people to understand where "Batavia" was and why you
> will not find "Jakarta" in certain papers.
> Thanks,
>       GerardM
> On 15 September 2016 at 17:40, Jan Berkel <> wrote:
>> *- How wikidata and wiktionary databases will be synchronized?*
>> New entity types will be created in Wikidata database, with new ids (ex.
>> L for lexemes). A Wiktionary will have the possibility to include data from
>> Wikidata in their pages (the complete entity or only some chosen
>> statements, as the community decides)
>> The pdf mentions 4 new entity types: Lexeme, Statement, Form, Embedded
>> (?).  Curious, was the existing data model not flexible enough?
>> Will these new entities be restricted to the usage in a lexicographical
>> context, i.e. Wiktionary? How will they fit into the existing data model,
>> will there be links from existing Wikidata items to the new entities? (i.e.
>> how will Wikidata benefit from the new data?)
>> *- Will editing wiktionary change?*
>> Yes, changes will happen, but we're working on making editing Wiktionary
>> easier. Soon as we can provide some mockups, we will share them with you
>> for collecting feedbacks.
>> Making contributing to Wiktionary easier will be a huge help. Right now
>> the learning curve is extremely steep, and turning away potential
>> contributors.
>> One thing to keep in mind is that Wiktionary is more than just the
>> content in the page namespace. A big part of what you see  is actually
>> generated dynamically, for example transliteration, pronunciation and
>> grammatical forms (conjugations, plurals etc).
>> I imagine in an integrated Wikidata/Wiktionary world "content" and code
>> lives in various places, and we'll have a range of automated processes to
>> copy things back and forth, and to automatically create new entries derived
>> from existing ones?
>>     – Jan
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