Hello Joyce, I could not agree more, this is a case where more is better! On Fri, Jan 11, 2013 at 9:03 AM, <[email protected]> wrote:
> > Hi Don: Preferably all three (course, peers, and instructor) provide > incentive for learning...and I would probably add students become more > confident and competent if they become comfortable with finding and > evaluating necessary information for continuing growth including "older" > modes like books and personal contacts with experts and OER's and so gain > confidence in self-direction. JMcKnight > [email protected] wrote: ----- > To: [email protected] > From: Don ** > Sent by: [email protected] > Date: 01/11/2013 11:57AM > > Subject: Re: [WikiEducator] Re: Why classrooms are important? > > Awesome discussion > Another tangental postulation (phew too many syllables) > Students do well: > If they form a relationship with either their instructor, their peers, or > their course. > > On Fri, Jan 11, 2013 at 7:08 AM, Randy Fisher <[email protected] >wrote: > >> Or Music (really, a universal language) that benefits largely from >> mathematics, and is about relationship, complexity and harmony. >> >> I recall Guy Laliberte of Cirque de Soleil talking about Music as the >> Universal Language. >> >> - Randy >> >> On Thu, Jan 10, 2013 at 10:31 PM, Edward Cherlin <[email protected] >wrote: >> >>> Seymour Papert asked the question, what if we could create an >>> environment in which children would learn to speak mathematics as >>> readily and as fluently as they learn natural languages? >>> >>> On Thu, Jan 10, 2013 at 3:27 PM, < [email protected]> wrote: >>> > Right on...classrooms, online platforms, telephones, e-mail, even >>> > hand-written letters are all simply means of communication...the >>> process of >>> > relationship building and building students' self-confidence so that >>> they >>> > can be self-directed are the crucial components...that said, some >>> means of >>> > communication are "warmer" than others...telephones and other >>> synchronous >>> > means of communication are probably somewhat more effective than >>> > asynchronous written communication for relationship building and >>> > face-to-face may be even more so but video doesn't add all that much to >>> > teleconferencing and the technological issues probably outweigh the >>> > benefits. Back in the late 1980's when I was in graduate school at >>> Penn >>> > State we used both a video-system and a teleconferencing system. The >>> audio >>> > produced better learning because there were fewer systems breakdowns >>> and >>> > more importantly, audio is an active medium (even then people were >>> used to >>> > making important decisions on the telephone) while video is often a >>> passive >>> > medium, that folks use for entertainment, thus there is less >>> engagement even >>> > in interactive video than in audio connections...we also learned that >>> one of >>> > the main challenges is to match the communication medium, learners and >>> > content appropriately...just some thoughts at random. Joyce McKnight >>> > >>> > ----- [email protected] wrote: ----- >>> >>> > To: " [email protected]" < [email protected]> >>> > From: Don Beadle >>> > Sent by: [email protected] >>> > Date: 01/10/2013 03:01PM >>> > Cc: " [email protected]" < [email protected]> >>> > Subject: Re: [WikiEducator] Re: Why classrooms are important? >>> > >>> > >>> > Yes Joyce, my two cents worth , is that learning does not depend on >>> building >>> > so much, as it does on relationships. >>> > >>> > Don >>> > >>> > Sent from my iPhone >>> > >>> > On Jan 10, 2013, at 10:08 AM, [email protected] wrote: >>> > >>> >> I agree that young people and probably not so young people need a >>> teacher, >>> >> mentor or coach to guide them but that person might be an academic >>> advisor >>> >> available on the web or perhaps even better an on-site mentor/coach >>> who >>> >> could work with students to choose OER resources that will best suit >>> their >>> >> learning needs and build logically toward appropriate learning >>> outcomes. >>> >> One of my community organizing students (working in Haiti) suggested >>> that >>> >> such "coaches" might be located in schools or some other kind of >>> >> "educational resource sites"...they could provide face-to-face >>> guidance >>> >> for >>> >> those who could access the site physically and perhaps telephone >>> coaching >>> >> for those who cannot. Even the addition of voice contact through >>> cell >>> >> phone might give inexperienced students the confidence they need as >>> well >>> >> as >>> >> guidance through the often confusing world of academic preparation. >>> I >>> >> wonder what people think of this idea. Joyce McKnight, Associate >>> >> Professor, Empire State College (US) >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> From: jim kelly < [email protected]> >>> >> To: [email protected] >>> >> Date: 01/10/2013 12:40 PM >>> >> Subject: [WikiEducator] Re: Why classrooms are important? >>> >> Sent by: [email protected] >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> Agree. There is no doubt that interactions between a young (or >>> beginning) >>> >> learner and an educator are very important. Failure here guarantees >>> that >>> >> knowledge will be misused. The value and enthusiasm to learn require >>> the >>> >> presents of an educator. But a lack of qualified educators in many >>> >> learning >>> >> communities, money to obtain an education and a world in which the >>> human >>> >> knowledge base has gone global is requiring communities to redefine >>> how a >>> >> learner learns. >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> Examine the observation made in the Youth Version of the 2012 UNESCO >>> >> Education for All Global Monitoring Report ( >>> >> >>> >> >>> http://www.unevoc.unesco.org/e-forum/Be%20skiller%20be%20employed%20be%20change%20generation.pdf >>> >> ) by Ali Zayaan a 19 year old from Maldives "Even right now, many >>> young >>> >> people that can’t afford full schooling are able to access the >>> internet. >>> >> They can use the internet (whether at home or somewhere public like a >>> >> library) to learn at their own pace for free, even if they have to >>> work in >>> >> the daytime or can’t afford or access regular schooling. If they want >>> to >>> >> get a qualification like a high school diploma, then they just need to >>> >> afford time and money for one or two days to attend an exam. This >>> lowers >>> >> the cost barrier of pursuing an education a lot." >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> Traditional educational approaches need to adapt. >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> Jim Kelly >>> >> ( www.k-12math.info) >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> -- >>> >> -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> >> Groups "WikiEducator" group. >>> >> To visit wikieducator: http://www.wikieducator.org >>> >> To visit the discussion forum: >>> http://groups.google.com/group/wikieducator >>> >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected] >>> >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> >> [email protected] >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> -- >>> >> -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> >> Groups "WikiEducator" group. >>> >> To visit wikieducator: http://www.wikieducator.org >>> >> To visit the discussion forum: >>> http://groups.google.com/group/wikieducator >>> >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected] >>> >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> >> [email protected] >>> >> >>> >> >>> > >>> > -- >>> > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> > Groups "WikiEducator" group. >>> > To visit wikieducator: http://www.wikieducator.org >>> > To visit the discussion forum: >>> http://groups.google.com/group/wikieducator >>> > To post to this group, send email to [email protected] >>> > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> > [email protected] >>> > >>> > >>> > -- >>> > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> > Groups "WikiEducator" group. >>> > To visit wikieducator: http://www.wikieducator.org >>> > To visit the discussion forum: >>> http://groups.google.com/group/wikieducator >>> > To post to this group, send email to [email protected] >>> > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> > [email protected] >>> > >>> > >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Edward Mokurai (默雷/निशब्दगर्ज/نشبدگرج) Cherlin >>> Silent Thunder is my name, and Children are my nation. >>> The Cosmos is my dwelling place, the Truth my destination. >>> http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Replacing_Textbooks >>> >>> -- >>> -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "WikiEducator" group. >>> To visit wikieducator: http://www.wikieducator.org >>> To visit the discussion forum: >>> http://groups.google.com/group/wikieducator >>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected] >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> [email protected] >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> ____________ ____ >> *Randy Fisher, MA * (Fielding) >> *Organizational Performance, Learning & Evaluation * >> >> 1. 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