I was referring to the fundraising targets, which have been cited as a cause of the dispute. WMIT/WLM have explained at length their reasons for needing banners in September. I am in no position to comment on whether their analysis is correct or not . Fundraising has not been so forthcoming in response to queries. Cheers, Peter
-----Original Message----- From: wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto:wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Pine W Sent: Friday, 04 September 2015 1:45 PM To: Wikimedia Mailing List Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wiki Loves Monuments] Wiki Loves Monuments in Italy largely blocked by WMF fundraising I guess I'm not clear on whether you're asking about the Fundraising targets or the WLM/WMIT targets, or both. Can you clarify? My understanding from this email chain is that there will be a deconfliction of banner space via better scheduling next year. I think that someone suggested setting up a calendar to track banner use, which might also be helpful. I think I'll step out of this conversation for the moment, and let the stakeholders take it from here. Pine On Fri, Sep 4, 2015 at 4:25 AM, Peter Southwood < peter.southw...@telkomsa.net> wrote: > One of the basic tenets of health and safety, is that if you have a > near miss incident, it should be analysed the same way that a fatal > incident would be investigated. Not to apportion blame, even if it is > due, but so that the same situation can be avoided in the future. > Organisations that fail to do this are doomed to repeat their > mistakes, not necessarily by the same people, who may well have > learned, but often by other departments, where the people did not get the > opportunity to learn by the mistake. > Refusal to answer reasonable and legitimate questions by stakeholders > often leads to accusations of conspiracy and bad faith and can end in > the local demagogues, of which we have an adequate supply, inciting > the torch and pitchfork brigade. Things may go downhill at this point. > Cheers, > Peter > > -----Original Message----- > From: wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto: > wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Pine W > Sent: Friday, 04 September 2015 8:43 AM > To: Wikimedia Mailing List > Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wiki Loves Monuments] Wiki Loves Monuments > in Italy largely blocked by WMF fundraising > > Yes, I think it is the case that Fundraising and other organizations > (like the WLM coordinators, Wikimedia Italia, and Community Resources > / FDC) were working from different playbooks. But now that Fundraising > has agreed to change their plans, I think we should give them some > breathing room, especially because they say that banner scheduling > will be coordinated next year. > > > > Pine > > > On Thu, Sep 3, 2015 at 11:24 PM, Peter Southwood < > peter.southw...@telkomsa.net> wrote: > > > Who set the targets that will now not be met, how were they decided, > > and when were they set? I must assume that WLM annual project was > > not taken into consideration by these planners. > > Cheers, > > P > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto: > > wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Pine W > > Sent: Thursday, 03 September 2015 10:51 PM > > To: Wikimedia Mailing List > > Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wiki Loves Monuments] Wiki Loves > > Monuments in Italy largely blocked by WMF fundraising > > > > I just want to respond to this point in particular: > > > > "Postponing the Italian fundraising campaign means for the first > > time in at least 4 years, the fundraising team will not be meeting a > > target. The team will pick up extra work in October to make up for > > work missed in September. > > It's not possible to do two months of work in one month, so there > > will need to be adjustments later throughout the year to make up for > > missing the September target." > > > > It was somewhat courageous for WMF Fundraising to change its > > schedule and forecast missing a target as a result. Two quotes seem > > appropriate in the context of this conversation, particularly > > regarding WMF's taking the community's priorities into account and > > absorbing the risks to its plans that come with changing to accommodate WLM: > > > > "Courage is what it takes to stand up and speak; courage is also > > what it takes to sit down and listen." -- Winston Churchill. > > > > "Either you decide to stay in the shallow end of the pool or you go > > out in the ocean." --Christopher Reeve > > > > Thanks Megan and all. > > > > Pine > > > > > > On Mon, Aug 31, 2015 at 12:29 PM, Mathias Damour < > > mathias.dam...@laposte.net > > > wrote: > > > > > Le 31/08/2015 13:02, Megan Hernandez a écrit : > > > > > >> Postponing the Italian fundraising campaign means for the first > > >> time in at least 4 years, the fundraising team will not be > > >> meeting a target. The team will pick up extra work in October to > > >> make up for work missed in September. > > >> It's not possible to do two months of work in one month, so there > > >> will need to be adjustments later throughout the year to make up > > >> for missing the September target. > > >> > > > > > > The WMF team is without any doubt very professional in "meeting > > > its target" and in smooth communication. > > > > > > We should also understand that despite the huge growth of the WMF > > > these last few years, it may feel an inferiority complex and think > > > it has a backlog to catch up compared to some much richer > > > neighbouring companies in the San Francisco Bay ! I guess they > > > roughly think: "Why should we have 15 time less employees than > > > Twitter !" That's why raising up the fundraising targets can be > > > more important than to facilitate a WLM event in just one > > > not-so-big country ! :-P > > > > > > Nevertheless it still give the impression of taking the word-wide > > > donors, the volunteers and the other entities (chapters) for > > > pawns/chess pieces that you may move or stop whenever you want or > need... > > > Maybe the ones to blame are the neighbouring internet companies > > > for setting a bad example to the WMF... :-\ > > > > > > -- > > > Mathias Damour > > > [[User:Astirmays]] > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines > > > Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > > Unsubscribe: > > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscrib > > > e> > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines > > Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > Unsubscribe: > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > > > > ----- > > No virus found in this message. > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > > Version: 2015.0.6086 / Virus Database: 4409/10565 - Release Date: > > 09/03/15 > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines > > Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > Unsubscribe: > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > > > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines > Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2015.0.6086 / Virus Database: 4409/10572 - Release Date: > 09/04/15 > > > > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines > Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> ----- No virus found in this message. 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