Yes, exactly. :-) 2015-10-29 23:22 GMT+01:00 Magnus Manske <magnusman...@googlemail.com>:
> I think it might just be a question of phrasing, actually. > > "Check if your new topic already exists in other languages, and connect it > to those! > Or [click here] to start a new Wikidata item for your article, so other > language editions of Wikipedia can find it more easily!" > > For Wikipedians, the purpose of Wikidata is not "because Wikidata". It is > added value to their own work; language links are an important part of > this. > > On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 10:33 PM Leila Zia <le...@wikimedia.org> wrote: > > > Hi Risker, > > > > On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 1:20 PM, Risker <risker...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > We do not expect anyone to add information to any other > > > project when they create content on the project of their choice. > > > > > > I'm thinking the Insert Media option in VE: there, we are giving the > editor > > the option to upload Media to the article which in reality means > uploading > > Media to Commons if I'm not missing something. The workflow is very > smooth, > > and the Wikipedia editor does not need to know about Commons to follow > the > > flow. > > > > Leila > > > > > > > On 29 October 2015 at 16:08, Romaine Wiki <romaine.w...@gmail.com> > > wrote: > > > > > > > That is comparing it with wrong examples that are not relevant here. > > > > On Wikipedia we have the guideline that articles an categories should > > be > > > > added to Wikidata, that originates back to the phase that only manual > > > > interwikis existed. > > > > > > > > And we have already received complaints why users do not get a > message > > > > after they created a category/article to add it to Wikidata. > > > > > > > > Further I propose this only for (logged in) users, and perhaps > further > > > > settings are possible. > > > > > > > > At the moment the largest workload is coming from articles that are > not > > > > added to Wikidata. Some users produce five articles a day, all not > > added > > > to > > > > Wikidata, while the articles are fine. In two days we have about 100 > > new > > > > articles on nl-wiki, all not added to Wikidata. This is just one > wiki, > > > and > > > > a huge workload to get them added properly. > > > > > > > > Romaine > > > > > > > > > > > > 2015-10-29 20:46 GMT+01:00 Risker <risker...@gmail.com>: > > > > > > > > > Whatever happened to "Wikipedia, the encyclopedia anyone can edit"? > > > > > > > > > > This is adding a layer of complexity and expectation that I don't > > > really > > > > > feel comfortable with. We don't expect people to add images to > > Commons > > > > > when they write an article. We don't expect people to include > > > > definitions > > > > > in Wiktionary when they are using a word. We don't expect people > to > > be > > > > > adding material to Wikisource or add quotes to Wikiquote. For that > > > > matter, > > > > > we don't expect people to write Wikipedia articles about what they > > > review > > > > > on wikisource, or about images they add to Commons, or quotes they > > add > > > to > > > > > Wikiquote. So why would we set up any kind of expectation that > > people > > > > > would add "data" to Wikidata? > > > > > > > > > > I also am concerned that people will add a new article that, > bluntly > > > put, > > > > > isn't going to last more than an hour...get these messages, and add > > > junk > > > > > data to Wikidata. Wikidatians are working hard to add referencing > > and > > > > > improve what is there already, but it's a huge labour and we > > shouldn't > > > be > > > > > adding to their mountain of work unnecessarily. > > > > > > > > > > Risker/Anne > > > > > > > > > > On 29 October 2015 at 14:37, Romaine Wiki <romaine.w...@gmail.com> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Hi all, > > > > > > > > > > > > I think it is time for the next step in the Wikidata > development: a > > > > > better > > > > > > integration in Wikipedia and her sisterprojects. > > > > > > > > > > > > Every day thousands of articles are created, and many of those > are > > > not > > > > > > added to Wikidata, even while often an item about this subject > > > exists. > > > > > > Users forget to add a newly created article to Wikidata as there > is > > > no > > > > > > stimulus at all. The next step in Wikidata development is that > > after > > > > the > > > > > > creation of an article, users get a message (pop-up, or screen, > > etc) > > > in > > > > > > what they are asked to add the article/category to Wikidata. In > the > > > > first > > > > > > stage this can be just a pop-up with a message. But it would be > > > better > > > > if > > > > > > this can be a message + some help to do this, so that users can > > stay > > > in > > > > > > Wikipedia (or another project), without having to go to Wikidata. > > > > > > > > > > > > A further step that can be developed after is the suggestion of > > > > > properties > > > > > > (if missing), like instance of, and based on this entry further > > > > > properties. > > > > > > > > > > > > This will make sure that there is a better integration of > Wikipedia > > > and > > > > > her > > > > > > sister projects with Wikidata through this workflow. > > > > > > > > > > > > For this I created a Phabricator task at: > > > > > > https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T117070 > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks! > > > > > > Romaine > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > > > > > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines > > > > > > Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > > > > > < > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/guidelineswikimedi...@lists.wikimedia.org > > > > > > > > > > > > Unsubscribe: > > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > > > > > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org > > ?subject=unsubscribe> > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > > > > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines > > > > > Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > > > > Unsubscribe: > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > > > > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org > ?subject=unsubscribe> > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > > > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines > > > > Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > > > < > > > > > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/guidelineswikimedi...@lists.wikimedia.org > > > > > > > > Unsubscribe: > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > > > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines > > > Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines > > Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > < > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/guidelineswikimedi...@lists.wikimedia.org > > > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines > Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe>
