This is where I disagree with you, Romaine.  I do believe my examples are
exactly right. We do not expect anyone to add information to any other
project when they create content on the project of their choice.  We have a
hard enough time recruiting contributors to any of our projects now, and
pressuring them to work on other projects at the same time is not the path
to volunteer satisfaction.

Consider that the hypothetical editor you mention, who writes five articles
a day, may really not have any interest in adding to Wikidata, Wikisource,
Wikiquote, etc.  Is there benefit in pressuring him to do so?  Or is it
more likely that he'll stop contributing to the Wikidata backlog by not
creating the articles in the first place?

On many of the larger projects, and in fact on many of the smaller ones
too, only registered, logged-in users can create articles. "Logged in" is
not a reasonable filter.  A preference to receive a reminder that Wikidata
is missing would work. But it should not automatically pop up whenever
someone creates an article, which is just as likely to annoy editors.

Risker/Anne

On 29 October 2015 at 16:08, Romaine Wiki <romaine.w...@gmail.com> wrote:

> That is comparing it with wrong examples that are not relevant here.
> On Wikipedia we have the guideline that articles an categories should be
> added to Wikidata, that originates back to the phase that only manual
> interwikis existed.
>
> And we have already received complaints why users do not get a message
> after they created a category/article to add it to Wikidata.
>
> Further I propose this only for (logged in) users, and perhaps further
> settings are possible.
>
> At the moment the largest workload is coming from articles that are not
> added to Wikidata. Some users produce five articles a day, all not added to
> Wikidata, while the articles are fine. In two days we have about 100 new
> articles on nl-wiki, all not added to Wikidata. This is just one wiki, and
> a huge workload to get them added properly.
>
> Romaine
>
>
> 2015-10-29 20:46 GMT+01:00 Risker <risker...@gmail.com>:
>
> > Whatever happened to "Wikipedia, the encyclopedia anyone can edit"?
> >
> > This is adding a layer of complexity and expectation that I don't really
> > feel comfortable with.  We don't expect people to add images to Commons
> > when they write an article.  We don't expect people to include
> definitions
> > in Wiktionary when they are using a word.  We don't expect people to be
> > adding material to Wikisource or add quotes to Wikiquote.  For that
> matter,
> > we don't expect people to write Wikipedia articles about what they review
> > on wikisource, or about images they add to Commons, or quotes they add to
> > Wikiquote.  So why would we set up any kind of expectation that people
> > would add "data" to Wikidata?
> >
> > I also am concerned that people will add a new article that, bluntly put,
> > isn't going to last more than an hour...get these messages, and add junk
> > data to Wikidata.  Wikidatians are working hard to add referencing and
> > improve what is there already, but it's a huge labour and we shouldn't be
> > adding to their mountain of work unnecessarily.
> >
> > Risker/Anne
> >
> > On 29 October 2015 at 14:37, Romaine Wiki <romaine.w...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > > Hi all,
> > >
> > > I think it is time for the next step in the Wikidata development: a
> > better
> > > integration in Wikipedia and her sisterprojects.
> > >
> > > Every day thousands of articles are created, and many of those are not
> > > added to Wikidata, even while often an item about this subject exists.
> > > Users forget to add a newly created article to Wikidata as there is no
> > > stimulus at all. The next step in Wikidata development is that after
> the
> > > creation of an article, users get a message (pop-up, or screen, etc) in
> > > what they are asked to add the article/category to Wikidata. In the
> first
> > > stage this can be just a pop-up with a message. But it would be better
> if
> > > this can be a message + some help to do this, so that users can stay in
> > > Wikipedia (or another project), without having to go to Wikidata.
> > >
> > > A further step that can be developed after is the suggestion of
> > properties
> > > (if missing), like instance of, and based on this entry further
> > properties.
> > >
> > > This will make sure that there is a better integration of Wikipedia and
> > her
> > > sister projects with Wikidata through this workflow.
> > >
> > > For this I created a Phabricator task at:
> > > https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T117070
> > >
> > > Thanks!
> > > Romaine
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