The Foundation doesn't have a product roadmap because new product goals are updated at least once a year; more often internally. A roadmap as described in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Technology_roadmap is appropriate when long term plans are under centralized control and not subject to change. The WMF uses a variety of means to update goals frequently from all its stakeholders, so how would a roadmap even help?
On Sat, Feb 11, 2017 at 7:03 AM Peter Southwood < [email protected]> wrote: > While we are on the subject of the meaning of words, to me a road map is a > map of the road system. Something we used before we had talking GPS to > navigate to unfamiliar places when travelling by car. > Cheers, > Peter > > -----Original Message----- > From: Wikimedia-l [mailto:[email protected]] On > Behalf Of Gerard Meijssen > Sent: Saturday, 11 February 2017 2:55 PM > To: Wikimedia Mailing List > Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: [discovery] Interactive Team putting work > on pause > > Hoi, > Rogol... the past... whose past? When you argue that we have to learn from > the past, it is good to accept current polities of a project as an argument > but such an argument has to convince us all. > > I have experience and I dispair. I find that policies that are external to > me should be accepted by me because they are said to be "universal". I am > not convinced by this argument at all. If you cannot present your arguments > for our mutual setting you fail, your arguments fail. > > When you use a proverb, it is dandy but by the same token, I am not a > collaborator because that would-be make me a Nazi (that is my cultural > heritage). > > My question to you is plain. Are you willing to argue your case as I am > willing to argue mine? Are you willing to accept that there is more than > only Wikipedia and only English? Are you happy to validate your arguments? > Thanks, > GerardM > > Op za 11 feb. 2017 om 11:05 schreef Rogol Domedonfors < > [email protected] > > > > > Anna, > > > > > > > Sometimes I wonder if hope isn’t at the base of it all. Perhaps hope > > > is necessary but certainly not sufficient for it all to transpire. > > > Hope is > > not > > > a strategy. But maybe it's a foundation. > > > > > > > Certainly, but there is an old saying about "the triumph of hope over > > experience". The general tenor of your comments suggest that you are > > less interested in learning from the past as you are planning for the > > future. I merely suggest that the two go hand in hand. > > > > > > > [stuff]] > > > I don't have time to investigate this statement and work to piece > > together > > > what happened, and since I don't have that time, I will not comment > > > in > > any > > > way on this particular instance. > > > > > > > That is your decision, but it means that you will learn nothing from it. > > > > > > > Generally, I am thinking about community service training across the > > > organization. I would love your help with that. I can do little > > > about the past. I can address the future. To properly address the > > > future, ad hoc > > and > > > particular solution sets won't suffice. We'll need coherent and > > > general solution sets, with enough particulars to keep the solution > set honest. > > > > > > > I am not sure what you mean by "community service" here. In the UK, > > it is a form of punishment given to young offenders for anti-social > > behaviour. I assume you mean something different? > > > > > > > I didn’t say that we didn’t have a Roadmap. I said that I did not > know. > > > > > > > > > > and extraordinarily unusual that a person at your level in the > > > > organisation should not know of its existence and be able to > > > > confirm at least whether or not it exists. > > > > > > > > > Agreed. > > > > > > One caveat: I am a Director in Talent and Culture. Please allow me > > > to explain. You may have noticed we’ve had some talent and culture > > challenges > > > as of late. I’m sure you can imagine how those challenges could keep > > > me (one of two senior leaders in a department of 10, 5 of whom are > > > solely dedicated to recruiting and 1 dedicated solely to employee > > > benefits), relatively busy. Although I agree with you in principle, > > > I’m just asking you to see how under those circumstances it could > > > make sense that a Director in T&C might not be up to date on what is > > > going on relative to Product Roadmaps. > > > > > > However, I am here now. > > > > > > > > > > You must be aware that your answer suggests at a bare minimum the > > > > possibility that you, as an officer of the WMF, are evading the > > question. > > > > > > > > > > That possibility genuinely never occurred to me. Evading the > > > question? Quite the contrary, Rogol. I have answered in the most > > > exposing and real way possible. I have said, "I don’t know", on a > > > public mailing list. Talk about a total lack of spin! I think that > > > is in the Wharton-Business-School > > > <http://executiveeducation.wharton.upenn.edu/for-individuals > > > ?gclid=CMGp9YTnhtICFURqfgod_AYI_g&slx=NAM_BRAND&ef_id=WFbx > > > 6wAAAN1GRt7g:20170211003858:s>-what-not-to-do > > > manual... admit that you don't know something in public. > > > > > > > The underlying quesrion, as was sure you would have recognised, is not > > "Do you Anna Stillwell happen to know whether or not the WMF has a > > technical roadmap ..." but "Does the WMF have a technical roadmap and > > if so please will the WMF publish it." Perhaps I failed to make that > > clear, and you were assuming I was asking a more personally specific > > but significantly less useful version. My long-standing question, then, > remains unanswered: > > > > *Does the WMF have a technical roadmap and if so please will the WMF > > publish it.* > > > > > > > If I may be so bold, it seems that your interpretation of my words > > > lacks even basic faith. It seems to be the penultimate worst > > > possible interpretation (the worst being lying, the second... evading). > > > > > > > I can only go by what I see as a pesistent refusal to address this > > issue over many weeks by multiple members of the WMF staff. > > > > > > > But your nearly automatic interpretation may point to a deeper > > > issue. I hear you saying that you don't take me at my word. That you > > > may not take > > us > > > at our word. And I imagine that we have done some things to earn > > > your distrust. I hear you. > > > > > > But I assure you that I am telling you the truth now: I do not know. > > > > > > > Do you propose to take any steps to find out? If you do, please will > > you let the community know? > > > > > > > Ok. How do you pronounce your fictitious name? I asked around, “Hey, > > > how > > do > > > you pronounce Rogol’s fictitious name”? Everyone pronounced it > > differently. > > > Some had a hard g. Some had a soft one. Some placed emphasis on the > > > first syllable. Some on the second. > > > > > > I couldn’t stop laughing. I said to them, “But he’s made up…. how > > > can you be *so sure*?” > > > > > > > Philippe Beaudette pronounced it acceptably it in the July 2015 > > Metrics Meeting, see, or rather listen to, > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NXWNGEht9lU&feature=youtu.be > > > > "Rogol" > > _______________________________________________ > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l > > New messages to: [email protected] > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > <mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe> > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l > New messages to: [email protected] > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > <mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe> > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2016.0.7998 / Virus Database: 4756/13931 - Release Date: 02/11/17 > > > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l > New messages to: [email protected] > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > <mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe> _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l New messages to: [email protected] Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, <mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe>
