Hi James, Towards the end of the process, and I will admit I was guilty of this as well, we have been so demotivated by the process that we felt it wasn’t worth it to continue communicating with the Affiliations Committee further.
Over the last year, we had been working to return to compliance. These included adopting new processes to automate old manual ones, completing overdue financial reports, and pursing other changes that were asked of us. We had a deadline, and we have completed as much of it as we could, but ultimately there were items that we didn’t complete by that deadline, either because we couldn’t (government bureaucracy for much of it), or because we felt that given our capacity the deadline was overly ambitious. We accept responsibility for that. However, despite our efforts, it was decided that we should lose chapter status. I will admit that we haven’t had the best communication record with the Foundation and the Committee, fine. But we tried to do what they asked anyway. We didn’t decide to disband like Wikimedia Hong Kong, and the decision basically said that our efforts are all for naught. That’s where it became increasingly difficult for us who want to keep going at WMPH to get the chapter moving on these things. So far, we’re sticking around and still working to return to compliance. But this is something we’re all disappointed over. As for me personally, having dedicated so much of my life to building the chapter and the community here in the Philippines at large, I don’t know how to process what’s going on, since it’s as if everything I’ve built is for naught. Thanks, Josh > On Apr 25, 2017, at 11:45 AM, James Heilman <jmh...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Hey Josh > > So where was the missed communication? Were there extenuating circumstances > regarding why Wikimedia Philippines was not able to produce the required > documents? Was active communication between Wikimedia Philippines and > affcom ongoing? > > James > > On Mon, Apr 24, 2017 at 9:19 PM, Josh Lim <jamesjoshua...@yahoo.com > <mailto:jamesjoshua...@yahoo.com>> wrote: > >> If you folks seriously think that we weren’t being “accountable”, then I >> have serious doubts about how this process will remain sustainable. >> >> I’m sorry, but this process has been exceedingly demotivating for everyone >> involved. I’ve been trying to keep myself composed throughout the entire >> process, but at this point I simply cannot. >> >> I will gladly admit that we’ve made mistakes, us more than others. Every >> organization does. But I will not allow the work that I’ve dedicated over >> a decade of my life to be thrown out the window because we weren’t >> “accountable”. To the best of our ability, we WERE accountable to our >> community and to the movement. And I, frankly, feet that we were as >> accountable as we could’ve been. >> >> You may all want to know why I’ve been silent through this entire >> process. It’s because I cannot, and I still cannot, process the grief this >> entire process has brought upon Wikimedia Philippines, and especially >> myself. I will try to be optimistic about the future, as people have been >> telling me to do, but at this point in time, at least have some respect for >> the work that we’ve done over the last six years. That’s really all I’m >> asking for at this point. >> >> Thanks, >> >> Josh >> >>> On Apr 23, 2017, at 9:41 PM, James Heilman <jmh...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> I second Itzik's comments. We need some degree of accountability. >> Hopefully this will encourage groups in the Philippines to become more >> active again. >>> >>> James >>> >>> On Sun, Apr 23, 2017 at 2:14 AM, Itzik - Wikimedia Israel < >> it...@wikimedia.org.il <mailto:it...@wikimedia.org.il> >> <mailto:it...@wikimedia.org.il <mailto:it...@wikimedia.org.il>>> wrote: >>> Thank you Maor for the update. >>> >>> We usually love to see our movement expend and welcome recognition of new >>> organizations, but I strongly believe that we continuously need to check >>> and evaluate our current organizations. >>> >>> Our brand, name and reputation are part of our core assets - and while >> it's >>> not an easy step, I appreciate Affcom efforts not only to recognize new >>> ones but also to de-recognize organizations that are not longer active or >>> non-compliance with our movement requirements. >>> >>> Few weeks ago in Berlin we had a first meeting to start discuses what is >> a >>> "movement accountability" and how we evaluate organizations who operate >>> outside of the FDC process and I believe Affcom have a significant part >> in >>> it. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> *Regards,Itzik Edri* >>> Chairperson, Wikimedia Israel >>> +972-54-5878078 <tel:%2B972-54-5878078 <tel:%2B972-54-5878078>> | >>> http://www.wikimedia.org.il <http://www.wikimedia.org.il/> < >> http://www.wikimedia.org.il/ <http://www.wikimedia.org.il/>> >>> Imagine a world in which every single human being can freely share in the >>> sum of all knowledge. That's our commitment! >>> >>> >>> On Sat, Apr 22, 2017 at 9:49 PM, Maor Malul <mao...@zoho.com >>> <mailto:mao...@zoho.com> <mailto: >> mao...@zoho.com <mailto:mao...@zoho.com>>> wrote: >>> >>>> * >>>> >>>> Dear all, >>>> >>>> * >>>> >>>> ** >>>> >>>> *Recognition as a Wikimedia affiliate - a chapter, thematic >> organization, >>>> or user group - allows an independent group to officially use the >> Wikimedia >>>> name to further the Wikimedia mission, with certain duties and >>>> responsibilities. While most Wikimedia affiliates adhere to the basic >>>> compliance standards set forth in their agreements with the Wikimedia >>>> Foundation, a protocol has been developed to address the exceptional >> cases >>>> when a Wikimedia affiliate does not meet minimum compliance standards >> and >>>> their continued recognition as a Wikimedia affiliate presents a risk >> to the >>>> Wikimedia movement.* >>>> >>>> * >>>> >>>> On September 9, 2016, Wikimedia Philippines was notified of their >>>> suspension as a Wikimedia affiliate due to long standing and serious >>>> governance issues, as well as non-compliance with reporting >> requirements >>>> which go as back as 2014, has been sent multiple warnings regarding >> them, >>>> and on the date mentioned above, was provided with an explicit list of >>>> tasks and deadlines in order to return to compliance with their chapter >>>> agreement. The chapter failed to complete these tasks by the deadline >> of >>>> November 28, 2016, and was consequently notified that they would no >> longer >>>> be recognized as a Wikimedia chapter after the termination of their >> Chapter >>>> Agreement on March 1, 2017. It is important to make clear that the >>>> Affiliations Committee will continue to support other organized >> Wikimedia >>>> communities and their activities in the Philippines. >>>> >>>> If you have questions about what this means for the community members >> in >>>> their region or language areas, we have put together a very basic FAQ, >>>> which may be found at<https://meta.wikimedia.org/ >>>> <https://meta.wikimedia.org/> < >> https://meta.wikimedia.org/ <https://meta.wikimedia.org/>> >>>> wiki/Wikimedia_movement_affiliate_de-recognition_FAQ>https:/ >>>> /meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_movement_affiliates/ >>>> <http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_movement_affiliates/> < >> http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_movement_affiliates/ >> <http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_movement_affiliates/>> >>>> Affiliate_derecognition_FAQ.* >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> "*Jülüjain wane mmakat* ein kapülain tü alijunakalirua jee >> wayuukanairua >>>> junain ekerolaa alümüin supüshuwayale etijaanaka. Ayatashi waya >> junain." >>>> Maor Malul >>>> Socio, A.C. 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