Are those applications published anywhere? I'd be curious to see it. I'm not really familiar with the grant process.
Todd On Oct 16, 2017 12:47 PM, "Jean-Philippe Béland" <jpbel...@wikimedia.ca> wrote: > My opinion is that such projects should be supported, we should encourage > 'be bold'. That being said, people planning projects at a large scale > should communicate with the concerned communities first. As such, the > concerns raised in this thread for example would have been raised during > the planning phase of that project and hopefully addressed. There is a > place in the application forms for grants for projects that asks to list > "Community Notification". The Grant Committee should look more closely at > that section and ensure that the communities have been notified before > granting any fund. > > JP > > > > On Mon, Oct 16, 2017 at 2:03 PM, Lodewijk <lodew...@effeietsanders.org> > wrote: > > > I understand from the original email that the venue was chosen based on > the > > fact that it was WMF-funded as a project. I am guessing he's trying to > pull > > that leverage. > > > > The topic is more generic though: should we support projects that are > > considered by some to be a little rough on the edges, or should we only > > pick 'safe' projects that will land well with the community. And how much > > of 'be bold' can be applied to projects that operate at a somewhat larger > > scale. > > > > While this particular topic seems enwp specific, its theme isn't. > > > > Lodewijk > > > > On Mon, Oct 16, 2017 at 10:34 AM, Jean-Philippe Béland < > > jpbel...@wikimedia.ca> wrote: > > > > > There is so many threads on this list that are only about English > > Wikipedia > > > like it is the centre of the world... Why other communities are able to > > > keep their internal discussions internal and not this community? > > > > > > Jean-Philippe Béland > > > Vice President, Wikimedia Canada > > > > > > On Mon, Oct 16, 2017 at 1:20 PM, Pax Ahimsa Gethen < > > > list-wikime...@funcrunch.org> wrote: > > > > > > > The people whose opinion should most matter in determining whether a > > > > comment is sexist are women. Not men, and not non-binary > transmasculine > > > > people like myself. > > > > > > > > I support and echo Emily and Molly's earlier comments on this thread: > > > > > > > > > > > > Also, in case it's not clear from my forwarding of Emily's/Keilana's > > > >> message, I endorse it completely and am glad she made her points. > > > >> > > > >> I agree fully with Keegan and Sydney. I don't think the concerns > that > > > this > > > >> will be overtaken by bots are well-founded; that was planned for in > > the > > > >> document outlining the competition, and editors involved in this > > project > > > >> will be subject to all expectations of normal editors (including not > > > >> mass-producing poor-quality content). > > > >> > > > >> As for Keegan's original post, there is a major difference between > > > >> describing an email as sexist versus labeling the sender as a > sexist. > > I > > > >> believe Keegan meant the former, and I'm not sure anything he's said > > can > > > >> be > > > >> described as an attack on the sender so much as a valid criticism of > > > poor > > > >> wording. > > > >> > > > >> – Molly (GorillaWarfare) > > > >> > > > >> On Sun, Oct 15, 2017 at 11:44 PM, GorillaWarfare > > > <gorillawarfarewikipedia@ > > > >> gmail.com> wrote: > > > >> > > > >> Emily (User:Keilana) is having some trouble getting mails through to > > > this > > > >> list, so I'm forwarding this on her behalf in case it's an issue > with > > > her > > > >> email address. > > > >> > > > >> "This is some sexist bullshit. You really think we can't handle some > > > >> stubs? And do you really, really think that people won't try to AFD > > > >> everything that comes out of this contest as it is? > > > >> > > > >> I'm sick and tired of this idea that we have to hold shit about > women > > > to a > > > >> higher standard than literally anything else. The encyclopedia isn't > > > going > > > >> to break because, god forbid, some inexperienced newbies write a > bunch > > > of > > > >> stubs. > > > >> > > > >> And so what if people think we're paying lip service to women? It's > > > better > > > >> than being seen as being actively hostile to women, which, as I > > > shouldn't > > > >> have to remind you, is our reputation as it currently stands." > > > >> > > > >> – Molly (GorillaWarfare) > > > >> > > > > > > > > - Pax aka Funcrunch > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 10/16/17 10:11 AM, Todd Allen wrote: > > > > > > > >> Is that still going on? > > > >> > > > >> I'm against sexism and all for improving coverage of women on > > Wikipedia. > > > >> I've helped to encourage events toward that end, and they've turned > > out > > > >> pretty well. We now have quite a few more articles, for example, on > > > women > > > >> involved as pioneers in outdoor sports and activities because of > them. > > > >> > > > >> But I'm unsure how asking the question "Is it wise to offer money in > > > >> exchange for creating large numbers of articles without > consideration > > of > > > >> quality?" or "Will this effort have the intended result?" is sexist. > > The > > > >> same question would apply if the proposed articles were about > Russian > > > >> literature or asteroids. It is not sexist to ask the question just > > > because > > > >> of what the subject happens to be. > > > >> > > > >> I think that needs to be discussed, not sidetracked by calling > people > > > >> sexists. If people really were making sexist statements, I'd be all > > for > > > >> shutting that crap down. But I've seen not one such statement in > this > > > >> thread. > > > >> > > > >> Todd > > > >> > > > >> On Oct 16, 2017 10:28 AM, "Robert Fernandez" < > wikigamal...@gmail.com> > > > >> wrote: > > > >> > > > >> So those who call out sexism are the real sexists, amirite? > > > >>> > > > >>> I am fed up with this double standard in the way we talk about > these > > > >>> issues. Some people are allowed to make broad, unsupported, > sweeping > > > >>> generalizations about the motives and actions of others and that's > > > >>> considered just fine, but if you call them out in even the gentlest > > > tones > > > >>> it's treated as some horrific personal attack, and censure and > > > apologies > > > >>> are demanded. We've culturally internalized sexism so much that > even > > > the > > > >>> way we talk about sexism is sexist. > > > >>> > > > >>> On Mon, Oct 16, 2017 at 11:28 AM, Vi to <vituzzu.w...@gmail.com> > > > wrote: > > > >>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>> But just a note: using the same behavior of phenomena you're > trying > > to > > > >>>> contast is, per se, a clear defeat. > > > >>>> To be more clear, blind -because you obviously don't know > *nothing* > > > >>>> about > > > >>>> their backgrounds- vilification of other's opinions is, > > incidentally, > > > >>>> one > > > >>>> the of the main instruments of "cultural" sexism. > > > >>>> > > > >>> > > > > -- > > > > Pax Ahimsa Gethen | p...@funcrunch.org | http://funcrunch.org | > > Pronouns: > > > > they/them/their > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wik > > > > i/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/ > > > wiki/Wikimedia-l > > > > New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/ > mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > > > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > Jean-Philippe Béland > > > > > > [image: Wikimedia Canada] Vice-président — Wikimédia Canada > > > <https://ca.wikimedia.org/wiki/Main_Page?uselang=fr>, chapitre > national > > > soutenant Wikipédia > > > Vice president — Wikimedia Canada > > > <https://ca.wikimedia.org/wiki/Main_Page?uselang=en>, national chapter > > > supporting Wikipedia > > > 535 avenue Viger Est, Montréal (Québec) H2L 2P3,jpbel...@wikimedia.ca > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/ > > > wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/ > > > wiki/Wikimedia-l > > > New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/ > > wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/ > > wiki/Wikimedia-l > > New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > > > > > > -- > > Jean-Philippe Béland > > [image: Wikimedia Canada] Vice-président — Wikimédia Canada > <https://ca.wikimedia.org/wiki/Main_Page?uselang=fr>, chapitre national > soutenant Wikipédia > Vice president — Wikimedia Canada > <https://ca.wikimedia.org/wiki/Main_Page?uselang=en>, national chapter > supporting Wikipedia > 535 avenue Viger Est, Montréal (Québec) H2L 2P3,jpbel...@wikimedia.ca > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/ > wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/ > wiki/Wikimedia-l > New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe>
