Anyone doing Commons stuff has to do have Commons skills. Wikipedia sysops are not asked to have them, and do not have them by default.
If Wikipedia sysops that deal with copyright want to be Commons admins, they can apply anytime for that role. Otherwise, render to Caesar the things that are Caesar's. Paulo Vi to <vituzzu.w...@gmail.com> escreveu no dia domingo, 12/05/2019 à(s) 21:13: > Major projects surely deal with a significant amount of uploads in an > efficient way. > > Vito > > Il giorno dom 12 mag 2019 alle ore 17:31 Paulo Santos Perneta < > paulospern...@gmail.com> ha scritto: > > > I absolutely disagree with this. A Wikipedia sysop do not necessarily > has - > > and from my experience, most of the time hasn't - the necessary skills to > > deal with copyright. > > > > Best, > > Paulo > > > > A domingo, 12 de mai de 2019, 14:35, Vi to <vituzzu.w...@gmail.com> > > escreveu: > > > > > I wonder wheter local sysops could be allowed to delete/undelete images > > on > > > commons in order to reduce workload. Most risky commons' uploads come > > from > > > cw-upload, allow local sysops to handle them could work. > > > > > > Vito > > > > > > Il giorno dom 12 mag 2019 alle ore 15:31 James Heilman < > jmh...@gmail.com > > > > > > ha scritto: > > > > > > > It is hard to get the admin bit there aswell. Is Commons interested > in > > > > having more admins? > > > > > > > > James > > > > > > > > On Sun, May 12, 2019 at 5:41 AM Fæ <fae...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > A couple of years ago a proposed project was for the WMF to pay for > > > > > access to the Google image matching API access so we could run a > > > > > copyvio bot on the live new uploads list. Such a bot would not be > > > > > terribly hard to get working, and would be a great experiment to > see > > > > > if this aspect of the more boring side of sysop tools could be > > > > > reduced.[1] > > > > > > > > > > Not specifically advocating auto-deletion, but daily housekeeping > > > > > image matches to highly likely copyrighted categories would make > mass > > > > > housekeeping very easy. > > > > > > > > > > A separate old chestnut was my proposal to introduce systemic image > > > > > hashes, which neatly show "close" image matches.[2] With a Commons > > hat > > > > > on, such a project would be of far more immediate pragmatic use > than > > > > > mobile-related and structured data-related projects that seem to > suck > > > > > up all the oxygen and volunteer time available. > > > > > > > > > > Note that the history of these project/funding ideas is so long, > that > > > > > several of the most experienced long term volunteers that were > > > > > originally interested have since retired. Without some positive > short > > > > > term encouragement, not only do these ideas never reach the useful > > > > > experiment stage, but the volunteers involved simply fade away. > > > > > > > > > > Links > > > > > 1. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Archive/2016/02#Google_has_opened_an_API_for_image_recognition > > > > > 2. https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Fae/Imagehash > > > > > > > > > > Fae > > > > > > > > > > On Sun, 12 May 2019 at 12:21, Amir Sarabadani <ladsgr...@gmail.com > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > IMO commons need either a Clue Bot NG for new uploads or ores > > support > > > > for > > > > > > images that might be copyright violation, or both. > > > > > > > > > > > > Best > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sun, May 12, 2019 at 1:10 PM Yaroslav Blanter < > ymb...@gmail.com > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Just the active community itself is too small, compared with > the > > > > > amount of > > > > > > > material it has to deal with. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers > > > > > > > Yaroslav > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sun, May 12, 2019 at 1:07 PM Benjamin Ikuta < > > > > > benjaminik...@gmail.com> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Is the shortage of admins due to a lack of people willing or > > > > capable > > > > > to > > > > > > > do > > > > > > > > the job, or increasing difficulty in obtaining the bit? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On May 12, 2019, at 3:55 AM, Tomasz Ganicz < > > polime...@gmail.com> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, Actually, at the moment it looks they are all > > undeleted. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The good habit - which I was keeping when organizing > several > > > > > > > GLAM-related > > > > > > > > > mass uploads - was to create on Commons project page > > describing > > > > > what it > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > intended to be uploaded, preferably in English. Then you > can > > > > > create a > > > > > > > > > project template to mark all uploads with them. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > See: > https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Partnerships > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Despite practical issue of avoiding unnecessary clashes > with > > > > > Common's > > > > > > > > > admins - creating template and project page helps to > promote > > > you > > > > > > > project > > > > > > > > > across Wikimedia communities and may inspire others to do > > > > something > > > > > > > > similar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Commons is indeed quite hostile environment for uploaders, > > but > > > on > > > > > the > > > > > > > > other > > > > > > > > > hand it is constantly flooded by hundreds of copyright > > > violating > > > > > > > files a > > > > > > > > > day: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > See the list from just one day: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Deletion_requests/2019/05/01 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > so this hostility works both ways - Common's admins have to > > > cope > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > aggressive hostile copyright violators every day, and after > > > some > > > > > time - > > > > > > > > > decide to leave or became being hostile themselves... and > the > > > > other > > > > > > > issue > > > > > > > > > is decreasing number of active admins and OTRS agents. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think - sooner or later - all this system - uploads - > > > screening > > > > > > > uploads > > > > > > > > > by admins, and OTRS agreements - needs deep rethinking. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > niedz., 12 maj 2019 o 10:48 Mister Thrapostibongles < > > > > > > > > > thrapostibong...@gmail.com> napisał(a): > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Hello all, > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> There seems to be a dispute between the Outreach and the > > > Commons > > > > > > > > components > > > > > > > > >> of The Community, judging by the article "Wikimedia > > Commons: a > > > > > highly > > > > > > > > >> hostile place for multimedia students contributions" at > the > > > > > Education > > > > > > > > >> Newsletter > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/Education/News/April_2019/Wikimedia_Commons:_a_highly_hostile_place_for_multimedia_students_contributions > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> As far as I can understand it, some students on an > Outreach > > > > > project > > > > > > > > >> uploaded some rather well-made video material, and comeone > > on > > > > > Commons > > > > > > > > >> deleted them because they appeared to well-made to be > > student > > > > > projects > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > >> so concluded they were copyright violations. 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