This is wrong: "The upload system allow you to upload something if you are the author. Period."
The system as it is now will allow anyone to upload a file given (s)he has the necessary rights. That does not imply the uploader being the author of the material. Note that verifying whether the uploaded material already exist out on the web must be done before the file is made public, otherwise any attempt on detecting a copyviolation will fail. That would imply that a copyvio algorithm must be automated. The questionable material could still be uploaded, but then a permission should be forwarded to OTRS. Also, a report from the copyvio algorithm should be stored with the uploaded material, as it is impossible to retrace the detection after the material is made public. On Sun, May 12, 2019 at 4:23 PM Galder Gonzalez Larrañaga <galder...@hotmail.com> wrote: > > As I am the author of the post, some remarks: > > * Commons is, indeed, the only [cloud] storage for file in most of the > Wikipedias. Making an accusation of using Commons as a storage place is > unfair and nonsense. > * Communication could be better, of course, but we don't have to think on > experienced editors and wikimedians, but on people we are trying to convince > to upload to the Commons and find this burden. They don't know how to > communicate and why they must do it. > * The upload system allow you to upload something if you are the author. > Period. > * Claiming that something is a derivative work without saying which is > the original work is not a good practice. > * Of course, commons volunteers are few, and they have a great job-queue. > But outreach volunteers are less, and a project like this can take a whole > year of volunteer work. > * After all the victim-blaming seen on this discussion no one was able to > point to a page where the procedure was clear for everyone. > > Let's hope we can follow with this project next year and we will have less > problems. > > Cheers > > Galder > ________________________________ > From: Wikimedia-l <wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org> on behalf of Vi > to <vituzzu.w...@gmail.com> > Sent: Sunday, May 12, 2019 3:35 PM > To: Wikimedia Mailing List > Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Dispute between Common and Outreach > > I wonder wheter local sysops could be allowed to delete/undelete images on > commons in order to reduce workload. Most risky commons' uploads come from > cw-upload, allow local sysops to handle them could work. > > Vito > > Il giorno dom 12 mag 2019 alle ore 15:31 James Heilman <jmh...@gmail.com> > ha scritto: > > > It is hard to get the admin bit there aswell. Is Commons interested in > > having more admins? > > > > James > > > > On Sun, May 12, 2019 at 5:41 AM Fæ <fae...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > A couple of years ago a proposed project was for the WMF to pay for > > > access to the Google image matching API access so we could run a > > > copyvio bot on the live new uploads list. Such a bot would not be > > > terribly hard to get working, and would be a great experiment to see > > > if this aspect of the more boring side of sysop tools could be > > > reduced.[1] > > > > > > Not specifically advocating auto-deletion, but daily housekeeping > > > image matches to highly likely copyrighted categories would make mass > > > housekeeping very easy. > > > > > > A separate old chestnut was my proposal to introduce systemic image > > > hashes, which neatly show "close" image matches.[2] With a Commons hat > > > on, such a project would be of far more immediate pragmatic use than > > > mobile-related and structured data-related projects that seem to suck > > > up all the oxygen and volunteer time available. > > > > > > Note that the history of these project/funding ideas is so long, that > > > several of the most experienced long term volunteers that were > > > originally interested have since retired. Without some positive short > > > term encouragement, not only do these ideas never reach the useful > > > experiment stage, but the volunteers involved simply fade away. > > > > > > Links > > > 1. > > > > > https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Archive/2016/02#Google_has_opened_an_API_for_image_recognition > > > 2. https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Fae/Imagehash > > > > > > Fae > > > > > > On Sun, 12 May 2019 at 12:21, Amir Sarabadani <ladsgr...@gmail.com> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > IMO commons need either a Clue Bot NG for new uploads or ores support > > for > > > > images that might be copyright violation, or both. > > > > > > > > Best > > > > > > > > On Sun, May 12, 2019 at 1:10 PM Yaroslav Blanter <ymb...@gmail.com> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > Just the active community itself is too small, compared with the > > > amount of > > > > > material it has to deal with. > > > > > > > > > > Cheers > > > > > Yaroslav > > > > > > > > > > On Sun, May 12, 2019 at 1:07 PM Benjamin Ikuta < > > > benjaminik...@gmail.com> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Is the shortage of admins due to a lack of people willing or > > capable > > > to > > > > > do > > > > > > the job, or increasing difficulty in obtaining the bit? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On May 12, 2019, at 3:55 AM, Tomasz Ganicz <polime...@gmail.com> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, Actually, at the moment it looks they are all undeleted. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The good habit - which I was keeping when organizing several > > > > > GLAM-related > > > > > > > mass uploads - was to create on Commons project page describing > > > what it > > > > > > is > > > > > > > intended to be uploaded, preferably in English. Then you can > > > create a > > > > > > > project template to mark all uploads with them. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > See: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Partnerships > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Despite practical issue of avoiding unnecessary clashes with > > > Common's > > > > > > > admins - creating template and project page helps to promote you > > > > > project > > > > > > > across Wikimedia communities and may inspire others to do > > something > > > > > > similar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Commons is indeed quite hostile environment for uploaders, but on > > > the > > > > > > other > > > > > > > hand it is constantly flooded by hundreds of copyright violating > > > > > files a > > > > > > > day: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > See the list from just one day: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Deletion_requests/2019/05/01 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > so this hostility works both ways - Common's admins have to cope > > > with > > > > > > > aggressive hostile copyright violators every day, and after some > > > time - > > > > > > > decide to leave or became being hostile themselves... and the > > other > > > > > issue > > > > > > > is decreasing number of active admins and OTRS agents. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think - sooner or later - all this system - uploads - screening > > > > > uploads > > > > > > > by admins, and OTRS agreements - needs deep rethinking. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > niedz., 12 maj 2019 o 10:48 Mister Thrapostibongles < > > > > > > > thrapostibong...@gmail.com> napisał(a): > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Hello all, > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> There seems to be a dispute between the Outreach and the Commons > > > > > > components > > > > > > >> of The Community, judging by the article "Wikimedia Commons: a > > > highly > > > > > > >> hostile place for multimedia students contributions" at the > > > Education > > > > > > >> Newsletter > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/Education/News/April_2019/Wikimedia_Commons:_a_highly_hostile_place_for_multimedia_students_contributions > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> As far as I can understand it, some students on an Outreach > > > project > > > > > > >> uploaded some rather well-made video material, and comeone on > > > Commons > > > > > > >> deleted them because they appeared to well-made to be student > > > projects > > > > > > and > > > > > > >> so concluded they were copyright violations. But some rather > > odd > > > > > > remarks > > > > > > >> were made "Commons has to fight the endless stream of uploaded > > > > > > copyrighted > > > > > > >> content on behalf of a headquarters in San Francisco that > > doesn't > > > > > care." > > > > > > >> and > > > > > > >> "you have regarded Commons as little more than free cloud > > storage > > > for > > > > > > >> images you intend to use on Wikipedia ". > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> Perhaps the Foundation needs to resolve this dispute? > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> Thrapostibongles > > > > > > >> _______________________________________________ > > > > > > >> Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > > > > > > >> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and > > > > > > >> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l > > > > > > >> New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > > > > > >> Unsubscribe: > > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l > > > > > , > > > > > > >> <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org > > > ?subject=unsubscribe> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > Tomek "Polimerek" Ganicz > > > > > > > http://pl.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Polimerek > > > > > > > http://www.ganicz.pl/poli/ > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > > > > > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and > > > > > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l > > > > > > > New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > > > > > > Unsubscribe: > > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > > > > > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org > > ?subject=unsubscribe> > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > > > > > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and > > > > > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l > > > > > > New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > > > > > Unsubscribe: > > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > > > > > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org > > ?subject=unsubscribe> > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > > > > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and > > > > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l > > > > > New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > > > > Unsubscribe: > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > > > > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Amir (he/him) > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > fae...@gmail.com https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Fae > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and > > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l > > > New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > > > > > > > > -- > > James Heilman > > MD, CCFP-EM, Wikipedian > > _______________________________________________ > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l > > New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l > New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l > New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe>
