Hoi, I am afraid that this is a misrepresentation. Romaine is a "self confessed" person with Asperger. Within our community we have an overrepresentation with people with a mental health issue. This is to be expected. This is typically not appreciated hardly ever understood. I have noticed before that people with a mental health issue got into problems including the imposition of a life time ban.
I do not know about trained and responsible but when there is no experience with mental health, given the composition of our community when there is no understanding for mental health issues, I do not think trained and responsible is justified. The notion that we are dealing with a "mob" is not helpful, it alienates the people you target with your speech. It prevents us from getting to an understanding.\ Thanks, GerardM On Fri, 21 Jun 2019 at 15:43, Robert Fernandez <wikigamal...@gmail.com> wrote: > At some point we have to decide who this movement and community is > for. Is it for popular individuals to act out in any way they please > and be awarded maximum freedom and lack of accountability? Or is it > so we can insure a friendly space for everyone, including those who > are not popular, who are not loud voices on community forums, who do > not want to be harassed or leered at or made uncomfortable? > > Everything is a tradeoff, and based on what I've seen I'll take the > lack of "due process" from trained and responsible professionals over > the popularity contests of the mob any day. > > > On Fri, Jun 21, 2019 at 4:56 AM Paulo Santos Perneta > <paulospern...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > Taking everything and their dog as "harassment", without due process to > > verify it, and issuing punishments one can't appeal based on that, > creates > > a feeling of fear and insecurity in the events; and provides a tool easy > to > > abuse by clever persons who understood how to game the system, as a > vehicle > > for severe harassment itself. > > > > This creates an unsafe and unfriendly space in the events,and should > really > > be looked at. > > > > Best, > > Paulo > > > > > > > > > > > > A sexta, 21 de jun de 2019, 06:57, Natacha Rault via Wikimedia-l < > > wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org> escreveu: > > > > > First of all I don’t know the context of this conversation. I know > that I > > > personnally find that the actions of Trust& Safety very valuable and > > > wise. I totally support and trust their judgement. > > > > > > I am tired of seing their work criticized, and do not appreciate > official > > > chapter representants and employees publicly supporting alleged > offenders, > > > showing no aknowledgement of the fact that this is very toxic for > alleged > > > victims, and does not help to change attitude towards issues of > > > harrassment. > > > > > > How can we feel safe in the movement if the decisions of T&S are > > > questionned by official members of our movement? > > > > > > Nattes à chat > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Le 21 juin 2019 à 01:04, Chris Keating <chriskeatingw...@gmail.com> a > > > écrit : > > > > > > >> > > > >> It is extremely disappointing, and *extremely typical* of the > Wikimedia > > > >> movement, to see an entire thread like this dedicated to supporting > > > someone > > > >> who Trust & Safety has found to have acted in such a way that they > had > > > to > > > >> intervene. It is even more disappointing to see a person who was > > > affected > > > >> by his actions told "this is not your story" and "it may help you > when > > > you > > > >> grow some sensitivity and respect this experience, the > > > >> feelings of others." > > > >> > > > >> If you're wondering why women leave the Wikimedia movement, and why > > > >> Wikimedia has such a bad harassment problem in general, just > reflect on > > > >> this thread. > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you, Molly, for expressing what I was just trying to summon the > > > > energy to write. > > > > > > > > Chris > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and > > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l > > > > New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > > > Unsubscribe: > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and > > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l > > > New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > > _______________________________________________ > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l > > New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l > New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe>