Hi Naveen,

Good idea. However, I may not be online at that time.
Will catch up during tomorrow's meetup.

- Sundar

 "That language is an instrument of human reason, and not merely a medium for 
the expression of thought, is a truth generally admitted."
- George Boole, quoted in Iverson's Turing Award Lecture

From: Naveen Francis <navee...@gmail.com>
To: wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org
Sent: Sat, March 13, 2010 7:37:44 AM
Subject: Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Wikimedia India Chapter

Can we have a IRC on this topic ?
Proposed time : Today, 8 pm (March 13, 2010), 
Join on : irc://irc.freenode.org/wikimedia-in


Naveen Francis

On 12 March 2010 13:51, BalaSundaraRaman <sundarbe...@yahoo.com> wrote:

>Please don't see the executive group as an entitlement arising purely out of 
>Wiki contributions. Every Wikipedian puts in volunteer effort to the extent 
>they can, and we don't do it for any special previlege or quid pro quo, do we? 
>The members you see here are merely who were known to have expressed a 
>willingness to form a chapter during several meetups during Jimmy and Sue's 
>visits. Achal collected such a list from various sources, sent them a 
>questionnaire to understand both their Wiki credo as well as commitment and 
>other experience required to form and bootstrap such an organisation. There 
>were meetings of such a group and then the founding group crystallised. Yes, 
>it's not the most scientific method, but what would be an
> alternative? Is there any other basis to pick a group for this assignment? A 
> wiki vote would only measure the goodwill inside the respective Wiki. But, 
> doesn't the Wikimedia Chapter guideline explicitly outline the need to have 
> people from outside the community, but have the commitment and shared 
> beliefs, if they bring in organisational expertise? Please reflect on these 
> aspects.
>I was part of one earlier attempt to form the India chapter and know of other 
>attempts as well. None of our previous attempts succeeded and we were losing a 
>lot of opportunities to spread Wiki in India. That is why, I agreed to join 
>this kind of a coordinated effort to bootstrap the chapter. This is definitely 
>not the end of the road for the chapter, just the beginning. The views of 
>every committed Wikipedian will be accommodated and they'll have a fair chance 
>to participate in the activities of the chapter. In fact, there are ideas to 
>create city-wise and wiki-wise
> special interest groups.
>And, please have a look at the list of people mentioned and say whether we are 
>a bunch of politicians who can't be trusted. We are a committed set of people, 
>who met every month on a weekend, did conference calls almost every week, and 
>brought out this draft meeting Wikimedia Chapters' Committe recommendations 
>and the Indian Law, not an easy task.
>The choice of Bangalore was for two reasons: 1) this is one city which has 
>people from many Indian language Wikipedias and 2) Centre for Internet and 
>Society who's hosting this organisation in the bootstrapping phase is located 
>here. Other than that, this is not Bangalore-centric or English Wiki-centric. 
>There's enough diversity in the group if you care to observe.
>I hope you'll understand the points.
> "That language is an instrument of human reason, and not merely a medium for 
> the expression of thought, is a truth
> generally admitted."
>- George Boole, quoted in Iverson's Turing Award Lecture
From: Shahid Akhtar <mohd.shahid_akh...@rediffmail.com>
>To: wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org
>Sent: Fri, March 12, 2010 12:47:04 PM
>Subject: Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Wikimedia India Chapter
> Thu, Mar 11, 2010 at 8:37 PM, Praveen Prakash <me.prav...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>K. Then who is Kiruba Shankar?  What
>> was the election process & criteria? How many people involved in 
>>that? Why all these process were hidden? Why even Hindi not informed?
>This is what I'm wondering about too! I think this process should be more 
>inclusive and transparent!
>Who decided the list of founding members (Signatories) mentioned on this page 
>http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_India/MoA#WIKIMEDIA_INDIA? And how 
>was this list decided? How come Gautam K John (who is self-admittedly not 
>involved with Wikipedia) was invited to be a founding member, but someone like 
>User:Bhadani was not?
>Why is some like HPN who has not made even 100 edits in 2009 and 2010 to
> English, 
>Kannada and Sanskrit Wikipedias combined together is at the forefront of
> this initiative, but some of the most important contributors from Indic
> wikipedias are not even a part of this?
>I'm all for a Wikimedia India chapter, but it should be a group of 
>all the people who are actually part of the Wikipedia community! It should not 
>be a bunch of politicians that want to be face of Wikipedia to the Indian 
>media without having made any substantial contributions to Wikipedia.
>Wikimedia India will receive thousands of rupees in donations. We need trusted 
>people who are representative of the pan-India Wikipedia community to handle 
>If this is a group of people who are meeting in Bangalore for wining and 
>dining, this should be named "Wikimedia Bangalore" chapter, not "Wikipedia 
>INDIA" chapter!
>Best regards
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