*I have a feeling that we'll all be doing this for a long time, so we might as well try to like each other. :-)*
Amen to that Erik :-). Me and Srikanth, very much want webfonts to improve, be expanded to mobile and make for an excellent UX . Thats the reason we are persisting in testing even though at times it feels we are butting our heads against a wall. *It remains to be seen whether we can get sufficient testing done via opt-in methods and dark launches, although I'm certainly strongly encouraging experimentation with both.* For Tamil, we think we have evolved a suitable balance to achieve this (apart from Siebrand's dark launch idea). A gradual - less active to more active wikiproject launch. (explained in the original mail). We adopted this after our first Narayam launch had to be rolled back due to bugs. It was a bit time consuming and took longer, but was iterative and extremely satisfactory On Thu, Dec 15, 2011 at 12:52 PM, Erik Moeller <e...@wikimedia.org> wrote: > On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 10:45 PM, Bala Jeyaraman <sodabot...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > So stating the truth is being unconstructive?. You could have rolled this > > out in phases or as a "dark launch" as you are contemplating now, done > more > > testing and saved us all this bitterness and trouble. Instead you > decided to > > go live on a massive scale without adequate testing in live environment > > being accessed by millions of people everyday. > > Although, the largest of the Indic language Wikipedias gets about > 1/900th the traffic of English Wikipedia in traffic. [1] I think it's > appropriate to be a bit more experimental at that scale. It remains to > be seen whether we can get sufficient testing done via opt-in methods > and dark launches, although I'm certainly strongly encouraging > experimentation with both. > > Your comparison with top web properties is flawed alongside another > dimension: no other top web property has to solve the kinds of > problems we're trying to solve here with a staff of three > internationalization developers, one product manager and no QA team > (!). Although we're larger now than a year ago and the year before, > and we're still adding engineers and support resources, we have lots > of big problems to solve in parallel. We don't have the luxury of > being able to do just one thing extremely well, much as we might want > to. > > On the other hand, what makes Wikimedia unique is precisely the fact > that we're all working together to continually improve and fix things. > In the best case scenario, that's a happy partnership. And as you well > know, folks like Santhosh, Siebrand, Gerard, Niklas and Amir have made > tremendous contributions as volunteers, well before being on staff. So > we should strive for being collegial and forgiving. I have a feeling > that we'll all be doing this for a long time, so we might as well try > to like each other. :-) > > I applaud the i18n team for being bold and pushing things forward, > while also reflecting on the process at this opportune time. I'm also > grateful to you, to Srikanth and others for being both supportive and > critical voices along the process, and getting very involved to fix > things. Improving language support is a huge, daunting undertaking. > WMF is only one player in this and it'll require continued, joint > effort from all fronts. > > All best, > Erik > > [1] http://stats.wikimedia.org/EN_India/ReportCardIndia.htm > -- > Erik Möller > VP of Engineering and Product Development, Wikimedia Foundation > > Support Free Knowledge: http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Donate > > _______________________________________________ > Wikimediaindia-l mailing list > Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l >
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