What I'm saying is data rates are only one part of doing voip. I know what Canopy can do.......You said "I'm sure you'll conclude that a Canopy AP/SU(14Mbps aggregate) could do a LOT more than 10 calls". Data rates have very little to do with a scaling voip system with and without internet. Brad
-----Original Message----- From: Jon Langeler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 16, 2006 12:53 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT: about 70Mbps for under $6K Brad, I'm not disputing the Alvarion numbers, they look great. Your statement below is absolutely true but this could get funny if your insisting on backing up that 8-10 number regarding Canopy... Jon Langeler Michwave Tech. Brad Larson wrote: >John, Testing by Alvarion engineers has been done. Saying that a radio has >an aggregate throughput of 14 meg's for voip is not really applicable. Small >packets through the radio can bring most systems to their knees. Brad > >-----Original Message----- >From: Jon Langeler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >Sent: Friday, June 16, 2006 3:21 AM >To: WISPA General List >Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT: about 70Mbps for under $6K > >Patrick, my string-and-can wifi asterisk ap does more than 10 calls! >:-) Honestly, 288 G711 calls is probably more towards the high end. >Whether you would like to realize it or not, canopy has come a ways over >the years. If you consult with your engineers I'm sure you'll conclude >that a Canopy AP/SU(14Mbps aggregate) could do a LOT more than 10 calls... > >Jon Langeler >Michwave Tech. > >Patrick Leary wrote: > > > >>As a non engineer, this is the first I have ever of this as an issue and I >>have never heard it from customers, very large or very small. Is this a >> >> >real > > >>issue (I have already passed the comments to our PLMs for the product line) >>for operators? I do know that with firmware version 4.0 these radios >> >> >support > > >>QinQ VLAN, which I've not heard other UL radios supporting. And one VL >>sector with 4.0 will support 288 concurrent VoIP calls (VoIP only play, >>20MHz channel). That compares to 8-10 per Canopy sector and maybe 20 on a >>Trango sector. >> >>Patrick >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: Tom DeReggi [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2006 1:33 PM >>To: WISPA General List >>Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT: about 70Mbps for under $6K >> >>Only 1512 also limits the use of many VPN technologies used to tunnel to >>partners, if offering wholesale transport services. >>For example, IPSEC. Microtik allowed us to get over the 1512 limit, as >> >> >long > > >>as we were using WDS. Trango of course allowed the 1600, one of the reasons >> >> > > > >>that we chose it 5 years ago. Any plans that Alvarion will make mods to >>allow larger packets? >>I'd support Matt's comment, that limited to a 1512 MTU could severally >> >> >limit > > >>its viable use for service providers, allthough Corporate clients likely >>could care less, as they'd just design around it, since it was for their >> >> >own > > >>network. >> >>Tom DeReggi >>RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc >>IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband >> >> >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "Matt Liotta" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>To: "WISPA General List" <[email protected]> >>Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2006 10:43 AM >>Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT: about 70Mbps for under $6K >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>Our setup requires the following: >>> >>>1500 bytes for payload >>>4 bytes for VLANs >>>4 bytes for LDP >>>4 bytes for EoMPLS header >>>18 bytes for Ethernet header >>> >>>That means we need an MTU of at least 1530. I only specified 1532 since >>>that is what Canopy and Orthogon use (Trango supports 1600). Unless 1512 >>>is your payload size, not your frame size your radios can't be used to >>>backhaul an MPLS network. >>> >>>-Matt >>> >>>Patrick Leary wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>Matt, >>>> >>>>I just got the reply to your question: the maximum packet size is 1512. >>>> >>>>Patrick Leary >>>>AVP Marketing >>>>Alvarion, Inc. >>>>o: 650.314.2628 >>>>c: 760.580.0080 >>>>Vonage: 650.641.1243 >>>> >>>>-----Original Message----- >>>>From: Matt Liotta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2006 >>>> >>>> > > > >>>>6:33 AM >>>>To: WISPA General List >>>>Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT: about 70Mbps for under $6K >>>> >>>>Does it support MTUs greater than 1500? More specifically, we are looking >>>> >>>> > > > >>>>for an MTU of 1532. >>>> >>>>-Matt >>>> >>>>Patrick Leary wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>Okay, be forewarned that so this is a shameless plug, but the data from >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>beta >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>testers of our new B100 OFDM point-to-point is worth sharing. In the >>>>>Texas >>>>>panhandle one company is getting 62Mbps at 16 miles. In the Big Easy, a >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>link >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>is getting 80Mbps, but it is only a one mile shot. One guy in Nebraska >>>>>told >>>>>me Tuesday that the B series of radios (B14, B28, and B100) are about >>>>> >>>>> >the > > >>>>>most simple he has ever used (his WISP has been operational since 2001). >>>>> >>>>>The BreezeNET B100 was just announced as a commercial product. Like all >>>>> >>>>> >B > > >>>>>series, the price includes the antennas when the integrated version >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>(antenna >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>built-in) is bought. A full link has a retail of $7,990. Your typical >>>>>discounts apply as well. And remember, since this is OFDM the B achieves >>>>>some good NLOS performance in terms of building obstructions and sharp >>>>>terrain. >>>>> >>>>>We are pretty excited about this radio as a top choice for WISP >>>>> >>>>> >backhaul. > > >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>It >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>is targeted as a high capacity, high quality, and really simple to >>>>>install >>>>>backhaul for a very moderate price. >>>>> >>>>>Those of you wanting more info, just drop me an e-mail. >>>>> >>>>>Patrick >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>-- >>>WISPA Wireless List: [email protected] >>> >>>Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >>>http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >>> >>>Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> > > > -- WISPA Wireless List: [email protected] Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ **************************************************************************** ************ This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals & computer viruses(192). **************************************************************************** ************ **************************************************************************** ******** This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals & computer viruses(42). **************************************************************************** ******** -- WISPA Wireless List: [email protected] Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
