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Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Monday, November 03, 2008 12:15 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3.65 Like? Gino Villarini wrote: > There are some below $5k BSU solutions on the market > > > > Gino A. Villarini > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. > tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 > > ________________________________ > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of Travis Johnson > Sent: Monday, November 03, 2008 10:30 AM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: [WISPA] 3.65 > > > > Matt, > > I agree. We are looking at the same thing... putting up some 3.65ghz > AP's on our "bigger" towers and moving heavy usage customers to that. > However, until base stations are less than $8k, the WiMax people can > keep spending money on advertising, trade-shows, etc. telling us how > great they are, I'm not going to buy. > > When you can buy a licensed microwave radio link for $8k (less > antennas), and you know the company is making money, there is no reason > 3.65ghz base stations have to be $8k+. > > Hopefully at some point, they will wake up and realize there is an > entire market they are missing. > > Travis > Microserv > > Matt Larsen - Lists wrote: > > I'm with Travis on this, with the exception of using StarOS instead of > Mikrotik. It is nice to have a set of standard, mature tools such as > radius, cbq/iptable rules and standard, non-vendor specific hardware to > work with instead of having to use a limited, proprietary system limited > > to a single vendor. I've deployed/consulted on 802.11 a/b/g networks > representing 8000+ CPE units and it can be made to work just fine as > long as it is managed properly. Travis is a pro, and he has the > experience to design his network in such a way as to maximize the > performance of his equipment. There are many others out there having > the same success. > > FWIW, I believe the most logical next step is to start moving heavy > usage customers over to 3.65 WiMAX gear starting next spring. I think > we are near the threshold of what is going to be possible with > unlicensed equipment - barring some kind of amazing breakthrough. I > foresee a need to deploy smaller and smaller cells to maintain the > desired performance level. It helps to have 10mhz channel sizes > available to maximize the utilization of existing spectrum, but even > that is starting to get awfully crowded. Whitespaces sure would help. > > I spent the last two years putting up 802.11a based APs across my entire > > service area and migrating customers from 2.4 to them to get the higher > ARPU from faster speeds and VOIP service. I foresee spending the next > two years deploying licensed backhauls and 3.65 APs starting with the > high traffic areas and working out to the fringes. Its the neverending > > story. > > Matt Larsen > vistabeam.com > > > > Travis Johnson wrote: > > > Hi, > > We don't use DHCP. Every single customer gets a real, static IP > address. > We also a assign a static IP address to every radio (for > management). > > When I posted the question a month ago about how to force an SM > to > connect to a specific AP on a tower, the only answer was "color > code". > This isn't really an option, as that means the installer has to > change > the color code in the field. All of our current radios are setup > and > ready to connect to ANY tower and ANY AP on that tower without > the > installer doing anything in the field. > > And how does first level tech support even find the correct > radio in the > AP list for a customer on the phone? They have to scroll through > 160 > people to find them by MAC address? > > Yes, Canopy is a slower radio in today's world. 14Mbps of total > throughput on a 20mhz channel is SLOW. Using Mikrotik I can get > 30Mbps > (double the speed) on the same channel size. Or I can use a > 10mhz > channel and get 15Mbps. And all these speeds can be delivered > via upload > or download or any combination, I don't have to set a specific > percentage of up/down. > > And how do you guarantee 7ms latency? What happens if a customer > gets > 8ms? And how do they test that measurement? And what happens > when a > customer completely clobbers an AP and 160 customers are getting > 20ms > latency? Or you have interference from a new provider and all > those > people get 100ms latency? > > Travis > Microserv > > > Chuck McCown - 3 wrote: > > > > All of the complaints are easily overcome with the > proper management software, DHCP reservations etc. You can easily force > the SM to connect to the exact AP you want a couple different ways. And > there are several non motorola software packages that do this kind of > stuff. We have 5000 subs on it and we don't break a sweat in managing > any of this. > > We put 128-160 customers per AP and they all still get > 10.2 Mbps burst. Slower radio? That seems pretty fast to me. > And we guarantee latency to 7 mS. Hmmm, that is pretty > hard to do with anyone else. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Travis Johnson > To: WISPA General List > Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2008 1:39 PM > Subject: Re: [WISPA] heavy usage customers > > > We've tried Canopy... twice in fact... once about 3 > years ago, and once about a month ago. We just can't make it fit into > our network management (IP database, Call tracking, customer management, > etc.) system very well... having customer radios that change their LUID > and IP address every time they register, having to set the bandwidth on > each SM instead of the AP, having no security or ways to control which > AP a customer connects to without having to buy their software, etc. > > All that, plus paying MORE for a slower radio than > what we are using just didn't make sense. I can put up an AP (2.4ghz, > 5.3ghz, 5.4ghz, or 5.8ghz) for less than > $400 that will support 50 customers, using only 10mhz > wide channels... and each CPE is less than $175 complete (including PoE, > antenna). > > Canopy seems to work well for many people... but I've > never been one to follow the "norm". And I get to put $50 in my pocket > on every install, and $1,000 for every AP we put up. ;) > > Travis > Microserv > > Chuck McCown - 3 wrote: > Well that is a testimony to your quality of service for > sure. > Now, if you were using Canopy your customers would be > even happier! > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Travis Johnson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "WISPA General List" <[email protected]> > <mailto:[email protected]> > Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2008 11:07 AM > Subject: Re: [WISPA] heavy usage customers > > > I have Qwest DSL, CableOne, another WISP (doing "up to > 4meg" for $29.95 > with Canopy), and a licensed WiMax (2.5ghz) provider > (doing "up to > 2meg", mobile, for $29.95). I have a lot of > competition... and yet we > have no sales people, no real advertising campaign, and > more installs > than we can keep up with each month. > > Travis > Microserv > > Chuck McCown - 3 wrote: > You must not have competitors. I have both Qwest > and Comcast giving away > multi megabit starting at $15.95 > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Travis Johnson > To: WISPA General List > Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2008 10:53 AM > Subject: Re: [WISPA] heavy usage customers > > > I guess that's my point... why offer more bandwidth > than you have to? > Most people don't need more than 1meg, and that's our > most popular > package for $39.95 per month (total, no modem rental > fee, etc.). Why give > away the farm if you don't have to? :) > > Travis > Microserv > > RickG wrote: > Wow, with all that bandwidth, I'm surprised you dont > offer higher speeds. > > Technically speaking, the download & upload price is the > same. From a > cost standpoint, I allocate the download & upload > separately because I > am "forced" to pay dearly ($1200/month) to AT&T for my > dual T1's which > are required for "decent" upload speeds. Right now, my > traffic is > split so all port 80 traffic flows though the 4Mbps x > 2Mbps connection > through Time Warner which runs over $500/month. This > works fairly well > for now since about half the traffic is web browsing. > When I bought > this WISP there was no management, monitoring or > reporting. I took > care of the management & monitoring and I'm working on > the reporting. > The best thing I've done is replace the StarOS firewall > with Mikrotik > and set up traffic priority. > Whew! Lots of work. At any rate, I'm working on my > upstream connection > next. I really need to get the cost down. > > Thanks! -RickG > > On Sun, Nov 2, 2008 at 12:08 PM, Travis Johnson > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Rick, > > Yes, all of our packages are symmetrical speeds (same > download and > upload). > So if they buy our 512k package, they get 512k down x > 512k up all the > time. > They are not "dedicated" connections, but rather you get > what you pay for > connections. We still oversubscribe users on an AP, but > only to the point > where each AP is running around 60% capacity during peak > times, thus > leaving > room for bursts, etc. We graph and monitor every single > AP (over 200 of > them) and every single user (bandwidth, packets, RSSI, > etc.) so we always > know what's happening on our network. > > We currently have three full OC-3 (155Mbps) dedicated > connections to the > backbone. On average, we pay $40/meg for bandwidth. Why > is your upload > price > different than your download price? > > Travis > Microserv > > RickG wrote: > > Travis, > > Nice work! Therefore, you are selling dedicated > bandwidth to all of > your customers. In other words, if all your customers > run speed test > at the same time they will get what their plan allows. > If you dont > mind, I have a few questions: > Is the above scenario true for upload speed as well as > download speed? > What are you paying for your upstream connection? > What type of upstream connection do you have? > > I'd like to be there and I keep hoping cheap bandwidth > comes my way. > When you are paying $150/meg for download and $400/meg > for upload, the > business model is tough. > > -RickG > > BTW: I'd take this offlist if you prefer but I think > this is a problem > that many us us small WISP's face. > > On Sat, Nov 1, 2008 at 9:30 PM, Travis Johnson > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Every customer can get the speed they are paying for ANY > time they run a > speed test. We offer packages from 512k to 2.5meg for > residential > customers > and they always get what they pay for (download AND > upload, which is the > same for all of our packages). > > Travis > Microserv > > RickG wrote: > > Travis, > > If I understand this correctly, you have at least 1Mbps > or higher of > bandwidth for every customer? > > -RickG > > On Sat, Nov 1, 2008 at 12:34 PM, Travis Johnson > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > We deliver what the customers pay for. If they purchase > a 1Mbps package, > they get 1Mbps 24x7 (with no monthly bit caps). > Personally I have never > liked the "up to" speed packages... it's like going to > Walmart and > buying milk. You can pay $3 for a full 1 gallon, or you > can pay $2 for > "up to" a gallon (without really knowing how much you > are going to get, > but it will be somewhere between nothing and a full > gallon). > > Travis > Microserv > > Kurt Fankhauser wrote: > > > Does anyone else here have customer/s that consume so > much bandwidth that > you have to throttle them down after say 5 minutes of > downloading. And > what > do you tell them when they start complaining about the > throttled down > speed. > (they don't know your throttling them though) > > > > Kurt Fankhauser > WAVELINC > P.O. Box 126 > Bucyrus, OH 44820 > 419-562-6405 > www.wavelinc.com > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------ > -------------------- > WISPA Wants You! 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