Maybe it's all that skiing getting to him. ;-)
----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -------------------------------------------------- From: "3-dB Networks" <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 5:58 AM To: "'WISPA General List'" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [WISPA] UBNT Bullet5 review... - OFFLIST > This seems to be happening a lot lately :-) > > Daniel White > 3-dB Networks > http://www.3dbnetworks.com > > >>-----Original Message----- >>From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On >>Behalf Of Charles Wu (CTI) >>Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 2:17 AM >>To: WISPA General List >>Subject: Re: [WISPA] UBNT Bullet5 review... - OFFLIST >> >>Chuck, >> >>Just a word of friendly advice >> >>The Canopy / WISP resale world is a competitive and brutal space -- if >>your plan is to target WISPs, I'd recommend that you save the trouble >>and find another vertical market or product >> >>The "reseller" cost that you see isn't that far off of what "street >>WISP" pricing is for anyone who's deploying in any decent quantity -- >>that's just the nature of the business >> >>You need a minimum of $5 million / year in volume and probably close to >>$500k in stock to "get in the WISP game" -- but at this point in the >>game, you're in a chicken & egg situation, since I'm not quite sure how >>you'd build up that volume, given that >> >>(1) most WISPs already have pre-existing relationships with their >>current suppliers, and inertia is an extremely hard thing to break >> >>(2) any new WISP you spend the time to get going that results in any >>decent volume will probably get swiped by the "bigger guys" because it >>ultimately all boils down to price and financing -- and they have the >>volume and pricing advantage to take you out of the market >> >>There's a reason why Streakwave went back to focus on Mikrotik / >>Ubiquiti 2 years ago >> >>Irregardless, whether or not you choose to listen to my advice, Welcome >>to the big leagues =) >> >>-Charles >> >>P.S. -- we need to sync up again sometime and talk about how IP Pay can >>save you $$$ >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On >>Behalf Of Chuck Hogg >>Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 11:13 PM >>To: WISPA General List >>Subject: Re: [WISPA] UBNT Bullet5 review... >> >>The cheapest I have ever seen large bulk distributor pricing with >>buyback money is a little over $200 per SM except 900Mhz. Now, if you >>are looking at the Lite version SM's they certainly can be had for >>cheaper. All these WISPs claiming cheaper price is not telling the >>truth. Even Motorola disputes the price when questioned (yes I am a >>distributor of Motorola products too). Ask that WISP to buy 100 packs >>from them for me, I'll pay a 10% premium! >> >> >> >>Also, I agree with both of you here. Having both 900MHz Trango and >>2.4Ghz MikroTik, the Trango performs very impressively with >50 clients >>per AP. I have a few AP's that are currently 100+ and they don't drop >>packets, and the latency is great in comparison. However, properly >>maintained 802.11 networks do pretty well also, but I don't see them >>outperforming what Trango does on clients per AP level. >> >> >> >>Regards, >> >>Chuck Hogg >> >>Avolutia, LLC >>502-722-9292 >>[email protected] >> >>http://www.avolutia.com >> >>http://www.shelbybb.com >> >> >> >>From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On >>Behalf Of Travis Johnson >>Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 10:34 PM >>To: WISPA General List >>Subject: Re: [WISPA] UBNT Bullet5 review... >> >> >> >>Matt, >> >>I know we have already discussed this several times, and I'm not sure we >>need to do it again... but maybe you could explain how you could have >>setup a plain 802.11g wireless AP so that each client (using all >>different kinds of wireless adapters) could have gotten equal bandwidth >>and latency at AF09? >> >>And, once again, I have done test after test after test using 802.11 >>stuff... and every single time (using Mikrotik without Nstreme, using >>StarOS, using OSBridge and using Nanostations) if we setup an AP and we >>connect two clients with laptops and start a continuous upload, the >>other client is basically dead in the water. Even if we limit the upload >>to 2Mbps or 3Mbps, when that client starts the upload, the other client >>has very high latency, very bad download speeds, etc. >> >>As for price on Canopy vs. 802.11... things are not always as they seem. >>I know of a large Canopy operator that is buying radios for $160 each. >>;) >> >>And, we have Trango AP's that only deliver 5Mbps total with 128 clients >>and we deliver 4ms latency to every single client. >> >>Travis >>Microserv >> >>Matt Larsen - Lists wrote: >> >>Sorry Travis, but you are dead wrong about 802.11 not being able to >>scale beyond 20 users, especially with 802.11a. I explained how it can >> >>be done to you before and I have consulting clients with 10,000 plus >>users on their 802.11 based networks scaling right up to the same size >>as any Canopy or Trango network. You might not be able to get to 150 >>subs per AP, but you can certainly hit 50-75 per sector and offer >>service that is damn close and a far sight cheaper than what Canopy will >> >>do. I would take a StarOS a/b/g network over a Canopy system every day >>of the week. >> >>As far as problems at AF09 - that is what you get when Canopy guys are >>running an 802.11 network. If I was running it with the proven >>equipment and deployment methods that many of us use on 802.11 networks, >> >>there would not have been any such problems. Just because the AF09 >>guys couldn't figure it out (or more likely didn't bother to try) >>doesn't mean that it can't be done right. >> >>Matt Larsen >>vistabeam.com >> >> >>Travis Johnson wrote: >> >> >> The problem will be that they are still plain 802.11 technology. >>There >> is no polling or ARQ or FEC or anything else that makes >>technology like >> Trango, Canopy and others work so well. We pulled all of our >>802.11 >> stuff down over 5 years ago. It does NOT scale. You will never >>get an AP >> with reliable, consistent service with more than 20 users. >> >> In fact, I think we witnessed this at AF09. Everyone connected >>to the >> same AP (48 I think was the count) and we continually got >>disconnected >> and the speeds and latency were terrible. Could there be a >>better "real >> world" experience than that? :) >> >> Travis >> Microserv >> >> Jerry Richardson wrote: >> >> >> >> All I can do is shake my head. Ubiquity seems to have >>acquired some >> Area51 technology..... >> >> >> >> >> __________________________________ >> Jerry Richardson >> airCloud Communications >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [email protected] >>[mailto:[email protected]] On >> Behalf Of [email protected] >> Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 3:42 PM >> To: WISPA General List >> Subject: [WISPA] UBNT Bullet5 review... >> >> I deployed my first Bullet5 today. Not the high power, >>but the >> standard. >> >> throughput testing showed insignificant difference >>between my >> Star-OS/WAR1 >> combo and the Bullet. The AP shows that the Bullet has >>active >> compression >> and fast frames that functions with my star-os access >>point. >> >> I have not tried the narrower channels to see if they're >>compatible with >> my star-os AP's. >> >> They have been certified with up to 30 db antennas. >> >> Summary... 1 bullet5, 1 pacwireless 25 db grid >>w/pigtail, 1 universal >> mount = very cheap 5 ghz cpe - about $130 - 140 >>complete. Even >> nicer??? >> >> The bullet slides down INTO the universal mount pipe, >>becoming invisible >> after you mount and aim it. >> >> Just FYI... The Bullet does NAT and has a DHCP server >>built in. No >> need >> for a router, allows you to have a fully routed network. >> >> Opinion.... 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