The local governments have no say. They can't regulate the airwaves, and the airwaves are what crosses property lines.
----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -------------------------------------------------- From: "Robert West" <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 10:49 AM To: "'WISPA General List'" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Net Neutrality > How does DirectTV and the like get out of that red tape mess then? Do > they > pay franchise fees? Or is beaming from space a bit different in the eyes > of > the FCC? > > Just wondering. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On > Behalf Of jp > Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 11:43 AM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Net Neutrality > > I know they have business partners that handle the MDU / planned > community sort of things, and they definitely have the equipment to make > it work. > > However, if you want to transmit television over/under public > property/ROW such as public roads or off your private property, you are > a cable provider. You then have to be a registered cable company and > meet local franchise requirements (such as coverage requirements, > franchies fees, PEG channels), or an Open Video provider (as described > by the FCC) and be subject to the conditions of that type of business. > Something like HITS (headend in the sky) is often used for smaller cable > systems. I'm sure there are some others as well. > > I have reason to believe the sat companies will not provide the channels > or gear to you if you appear to be doing the TV content distribution > business outside of the law. > > We're setup as a DirecTV dealer in addition to our ISP business. We like > their TV technology ourselves, and we like helping people get away from > TimeWarner/Roadrunner. We also get a sales commision and are compensated > for the installs. We're not selling a ton yet, as it's a fairly complex > mix of options and we're still getting up to speed. > > On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 11:19:07AM -0400, Robert West wrote: >> Never thought of that. Anyone else doing this? I'm not up to doing this >> yet but always planning ahead, maybe in 6 to 12 months. >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On >> Behalf Of Curtis Maurand >> Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 10:44 AM >> To: WISPA General List >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Net Neutrality >> >> >> Try talking to DirectTV or Dish Networks. They'll deal with you to > resell. >> --C >> Robert West wrote: >> > Would the Free To Air stuff work at all? I have some customers who do >> Free >> > To Air but I have yet to even look at one of their setups to see what > type >> > of content they are getting. But is Free To Air also Free to >> Rebroadcast??! >> > >> > >> > I tried to deal with Time Warner as just being a reseller of their > content >> > but they just yawned. I wanted to setup a building to install the >> > individual digital boxes in for each customer ant Time Warner would >> > just >> > install in that building as needed. Then stream the video channel to > the >> > customer. Not gonna fly with Time Warner. >> > >> > Anyone else out there doing TV over IP? How are you setting this up >> > and >> how >> > are you obtaining rights to rebroadcast the video content? Certainly >> there >> > HAS to be a group that we can purchase content from. >> > >> > Bob- >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On >> > Behalf Of Mike Hammett >> > Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 11:14 AM >> > To: WISPA General List >> > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Net Neutrality >> > >> > I've looked into doing traditional TV over IP and wireless networks... >> You >> > can't obtain a license for traditional TV over wireless networks. >> > >> > I wouldn't mind coming up with a half assed list of places of good >> > video > >> > content. >> > >> > >> > ----- >> > Mike Hammett >> > Intelligent Computing Solutions >> > http://www.ics-il.com >> > >> > >> > >> > -------------------------------------------------- >> > From: "Clint Ricker" <[email protected]> >> > Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 7:11 AM >> > To: "WISPA General List" <[email protected]> >> > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Net Neutrality >> > >> > >> >> I am all too aware of the weakness of wireless networks in regards to >> >> streaming of video. >> >> >> >> That said, I cannot see how over the top video is a bad thing for >> >> independent ISPs, even if wireless technology has to make some >> >> progress >> to >> >> handle it. It removes triple play as a competitive advantage for your >> >> competitors and hurts them a LOT more than it costs the independent > ISPs. >> >> If anything, independent ISPs (especially wireline independent ISPs) >> >> should >> >> be advertising "Internet access, includes 10 million channels for >> >> FREE" > >> >> and >> >> get people to shift the $1,500-$2,000 a year that they are spending on >> >> triple play packages over your way. >> >> >> >> -Clint Ricker >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 11:06 AM, RickG <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >>> This is imminent. The questions is: whose network? -RickG >> >>> >> >>> On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 9:38 AM, Robert West >> <[email protected]> >> >>> wrote: >> >>> >> >>>> One thing you can bank on, it WILL take hold. >> >>>> >> >>>> The need for more Bandwidth won't be stopped anytime soon, I >> >>>> believe. >> >>>> Eventually most if not all communications will run over the same >> >>>> network, >> >>>> which if you think about it, all the communications out there seem >> >>>> to >> >>>> >> >>> touch >> >>> >> >>>> the internet at least in part. >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> -----Original Message----- >> >>>> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] > On >> >>>> Behalf Of Clint Ricker >> >>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 9:21 AM >> >>>> To: WISPA General List >> >>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Net Neutrality >> >>>> >> >>>> For the mainstream ISPs (the big RBOCs and MSOs), their bandwidth > costs >> >>>> >> >>> are >> >>> >> >>>> very, very low and are a small fraction of their overall costs. >> >>>> However, >> >>>> that statement does ignore the costs of perpetually upgrading their >> >>>> >> >>> network >> >>> >> >>>> to handle larger volumes of bandwidth. From a cost perspective, >> >>>> that > >> >>>> is >> >>>> >> >>> the >> >>> >> >>>> main motivation for the big players to shape traffic. However, even >> >>>> that >> >>>> >> >>> is >> >>> >> >>>> small compared to the potential loss of revenue if "over the top" > video >> >>>> takes hold. >> >>>> >> >>>> -Clint >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> On Tue, Sep 22, 2009 at 11:27 AM, Matt <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>>>> It's back.... >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,552503,00.html?test=latestnews >> >>>>>> >> >>>>> I am just waiting for them to say bitcaps are a no no. When you > think >> >>>>> about it with a bit cap you cannot really use the Internet to >> >>>>> completely replace the catv or dish service. Some consumers I am > sure >> >>>>> are going to say that's not fair and some clueless law makers will >> >>>>> likely believe them. >> >>>>> >> >>>>> I have already heard some 'expert' IT people on blogs brag that >> >>>>> bandwidth costs ISP's virtually nothing and the only reason for >> >>>>> bitcaps is to prevent competing video services from taking market >> >>>>> share. >> >>>>> >> >>>>> Matt >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> > >> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> > >> >>>> ---- >> >>>> >> >>>>> WISPA Wants You! 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