I've found similar assistance going to Economic Development folks. ----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com
On 7/21/2010 11:32 PM, Robert West wrote: > I've tried. Oh boy, have I tried! I look at every little telco farm along > the road, cruise the railroad crossings looking for fiber, visit the county > engineers office asking for maps of underground lines............. Call the > local telco/cable office, beat up the Time Warner guy or gal for info...... > It's all one big ol' secret. > > OH! One county that I'm in, they have a guy whose only job is to HELP > provide info for the betterment of business and to help the rural folk. His > answer when I ask if he can find out fiber locations....... His answer.... > "Wow, great idea! But... I dunno". > > End of conversation. > > Sucks. > > Me- > > > -----Original Message----- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > Behalf Of Mike Hammett > Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2010 10:48 PM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] What if you can't get a T3? > > Agreed. It amazes me how little people know about the telecommunications > infrastructure in their area. > > ----- > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions > http://www.ics-il.com > > > > On 7/20/2010 5:57 PM, Faisal Imtiaz wrote: >> I have been quietly watching this discussion.... >> >> I don't claim to be an expert, but being a wire line ISP, let me add / >> clarify some thoughts / facts .... >> >> T1 / T3 or DS3 / OC3 are all TDM / Legacy services........ >> >> T1, can be extended (long distance) via field repeaters... (T1's are >> based on HDSL technology and go about 12000ft from the CO or >> Repeater.) >> T3/DS3 are peeled off OC3 or Sonet (optical) Muxes....These are larger >> expensive pieces of equipment that require a lot of power and are fiber > fed. >> While all of the legacy TDM services are regulated (i.e the price is >> disclosed on a tariff) but the ILEC is allowed to recover build out >> costs... these costs are high, in addition, the ILEC's are also aware >> that these High Cap transports are used by other Competitors and as >> such exercise full discretion on discouraging purchase of these >> circuits, by using extra inflated build out costs, and if you agree to >> pay that, then the 2nd option they use is extra extra long build out >> time schedule... 9 to 12 months easy. >> >> For Enterprise customers, they will do the build at no cost or little >> cost, but the Enterprise customer also has to provide them with space >> and power, typically 2-3 racks of space and 20-40 amps of power. >> >> Today, the ILEC's are not interested in doing such buildout, unless >> someone is buying SONET transport from them or a bundle of multiple >> DS3's / OC'3 combination, and there are a few more if's... >> >> The most cost effective form of transport that an ISP / WISP can >> purchase from a Carrier (ILEC or Cable Co or another type of provider) >> would be Ethernet ...... >> 100Meg or Gig E.... While these are un-regulated services, which means >> an ILEC's can exercise their discretion on providing this type of >> service to you and I or another Carrier.... however in many places >> (typically office buildings in a metro downtown area) would have >> equipment / fiber already installed that they can deliver the service >> at that location. >> >> These days the local Cable Company who has been doing fiber build outs >> for their cable plants is also pretty eager to sell IP Transit or >> Ethernet Transport over the Fiber system.. Most of them are working on >> a pretty fair means of pricing the fiber service and will not >> discriminate against service providers... (most of them...) >> >> Another often overlooked fiber carrier is the local Power Company..... >> Most power companies have a "Fiber / Network Division" they have been >> the largest providers of dark fiber for a lot of carriers (including >> cell carriers, when they cell carriers were not owned by the ILEC and >> the ILEC would not provide them high speed pipes to the cell towers..). >> But these folks are normally harder to track down unless they are >> aggressively selling services... >> >> I often collect Network Maps from carriers and competitive service >> providers, just to be able to find out what are "On-Net" locations for >> them... make life much easier in determining where to pickup the >> service from rather than having them do the buildout and bring them to >> where you are.... >> >> Hope this helps. >> >> Regards >> >> >> >> Faisal Imtiaz >> Snappy Internet& Telecom >> 7266 SW 48 Street >> Miami, Fl 33155 >> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 >> Helpdesk: 305 663 5518 option 2 Email: supp...@snappydsl.net >> >> >> On 7/20/2010 6:19 PM, RickG wrote: >>> In my previous life as an AT&T Cellular switch manager, we had >>> hundreds of T1's& T3's ordered that never came in - yes, I mean >>> never. And we practically had a blank check! >>> -RickG >>> >>> On Tue, Jul 20, 2010 at 1:40 PM, Kristian Hoffmann<kh...@fire2wire.com> > wrote: >>>> After about a year of getting the same response from AT&T after >>>> multiple order requests at different locations across our network, >>>> the guy in charge of building out fiber for the region called and >>>> said "what in the world are you guys doing?!?" He ended up giving >>>> us the location of a few fiber terminals in the area. We found the >>>> ones closest to our network, made an agreement with a tenant nearby, >>>> and did a wireless PtP to connect it to our network. >>>> >>>> Moral of the story, we were shooting in the dark until we had an >>>> "in" in the right department at AT&T. >>>> >>>> On a related note, does anyone have an experience with Charter's >>>> fiber services? >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Kristian Hoffmann >>>> System Administrator >>>> kh...@fire2wire.com >>>> http://www.fire2wire.com >>>> >>>> Office - 209-543-1800 | Fax - 209-545-1469 | Toll Free - >>>> 800-905-FIRE >>>> >>>> >>>> On Mon, 2010-07-19 at 22:33 -0500, Roger Howard wrote: >>>> >>>>> Quick alert to those who are not aware... back when I was running >>>>> my business on T1 lines, I just assumed that when I was ready, I >>>>> could order a T3 and upgrade my bandwidth. Not so. >>>>> >>>>> Just because you can get a T1 doesn't mean you can get a T3 without >>>>> huge buildout costs. I was quoted $400,000 dollars to upgrade to a T3. >>>>> I managed to get around it because otherwise AT&T would have had to >>>>> install a high count copper line down my road to be able to keep >>>>> offering POTS service here, so I got lucky, and had a free install. >>>>> But you may not be that fortunate. >>>>> >>>>> I just thought if I posted this, it might give some people a heads >>>>> up to start planning for more bandwidth when you're coming close to >>>>> needing t3 type capacity. >>>>> >>>>> Thanks, >>>>> Roger >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>> ------------- >>>>> WISPA Wants You! 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