That's the point that needs to be made. Until the recent push to standards and usability, everyone was just doing what was considered the norm. This journey into standards and accessibility is completely new to me and many others. BUT, there is still a stronghold of folks who think in tables, pop-up windows and bad code. The real challenge for me has been less in the changing of my code and more in the changing of my mind. The standards mode has made me think differently. I never even considered accessibility until I read Zeldman, Cederholm, Myers and the rest. My battle is not here, but with my partners, as I have a site full of links opening in new windows. Arrrg!! Now I have to change their minds and ways! The irony is, that version 2 of our site that currently validates in XHTML Transitional, will actually be ready to go before the tables version 1 is even finished! And that's what I love about the standards process.
BTW, I was a little hesitant to join this list, but am I ever glad I did. I've gotten more answers and info in a week and a half than I could have ever imagined. AND the topper, is you all are great people as well. Many, many thanks to everyone out there. w On 10/5/04 8:17 PM, "Terrence Wood" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Thanks Wayne, appreciate the risk ;-) > > What you are describing though is your personal preference for opening > new windows - which I am all in favour for. I prefer tabbed window > browsers myself and open alot of tabs - and therein lies my point. > > Opening my own windows suits me and my workflow for the variety of > computers I work on. Having someone else do it is annoying, distruptive, > and rude. > > But I will change my opinion if there is good reason to... especially > one related to usability. > > ./tdw > > On 6/10/04 12:58 PM, Wayne Godfrey wrote: >> Okay, I'll stick my neck out here for a list chopping. >> >> I personally like opening a new window whenever I'm web surfing. It's >> something that I got into a habit or doing long ago and far away. I'm still >> waiting for a big, honking G5 to be sitting under my fingertips, but until >> that day I'm stuck on a G3 Mac at OS9 on IE5.1.7. I hate the IE interface >> (actually, I hate all browser interfaces) and I close it down to nothing but >> the address bar. The back, forward, stop and reload buttons are available in >> the top left hand corner, but the only one I really use is the reload >> button. Even with the tab browsers that I've tried, I still end up opening a >> new tab more often than using the back and forward buttons. This is just the >> way I ended up traveling the web, I'm sure that others have their own "ways" >> as well. I've discussed this with my partners and others and they all like >> the "open a new window" concept. I fully understand the other point of view >> and why the W3C believes what they believe. I've never been ticked off by a >> site opening a link in a new window, but I sure as heck have been royally >> unhappy with pop-up, under and through windows as well as poorly coded java >> script that freeze my machine or web sites that only work in IE for windows. >> In fact, those are much higher sins (IMHO) than opening a link in a new >> window... >> >> gulp.... > ****************************************************** > The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ > > See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm > for some hints on posting to the list & getting help > ****************************************************** > ****************************************************** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help ******************************************************
