I am still waiting for my N-perm to be sub-3.  That would be one
orienation done for me. ;)

~ Bob

--- In zbmethod@yahoogroups.com, "cmhardw" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hey everyone,
> I've been talking to Richard a lot lately, and he really inspired me
> about one thing.
> I think ZBLL can be extremely fast, but we have to set a higher
> standard for it.  We have to set the standard of sub-3 average for
> every alg (just straight execution) and that would make the LL have a
> sub-4 solve time with recognition also (in theory).
> Well I don't think even a few people could do this in a short amount
> of time, so here is the suggestion.  ZB doesn't have much popularity
> yet, since it isn't fast.  Sadly it will take that to get many to
> notice.  Also, why learn ZBLL quickly now and redo 300 algs later when
> it does gain some popularity after people have learned it, when we can
> all work on generating algs (with the sub-3 requirement) and make it
> fast now?
> It would work like this, learn ZBLL in any way you want, and generate
> and save all algs for that path.  If you are learning algs that have
> already been generated, then learn the algs you want from a webpage or
> from someone, but generate other cases only to make them fast, learn
> them later.
> We could each take a COLL case and generate algs and spend a few weeks
> or maybe a month on optimizing each case to sub-3.
> After that we can meet here and post the best ones on a central
> website (perhaps Ron will lend us a space in the Algs section).
> I think if we make ZBLL fast right from the start, then we can learn
> the fastest ZBLL right from the start and have a chance for the method
> to be fast.
> I know a lot of you guys are very serious about the method, so I ask:
> who is willing to help me make a sub-3 requirement for ZBLL a reality?
>  I can start with my slowest T algs (some are already easily sub-3)
> and work from there.  Again you don't have to learn the algs you
> generate, learn however you want, but spend time each day helping
> optimize the ZBLL.
> I think with all of us it will still not be much man power, but it
> will be enough to make a start.
> I will now require sub-3 for all algs, and try to spend a few weeks to
> 1 month on each COLL case to really get this right.  I will stop
> learning until my T and U algs are fully sub-3 optimized.
> Also if sub-3 is just not possible, let's find the true limit, and get
> under that.
> ZB can still have a change, but we have to have a higher standard than
> sub-4.  I'm already convinced that a sub-4 ZBLL stands no change
> whatsoever against Fridrich.
> I'm going to start on my worst T cases and go from there.  Is anyone
> else interested?  Let me know, I would really love for all of us to
> really take this method seriously (we already do, but I think a new
> level of dedication will be required for ZB to be fast) and move this
> method into being a top level method?
> Chris

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