What do you mean by double-Sune? Are you refering to the H1 cases? I already have those. The one where there is no EP is my slowest, feel free to work on that one, it's the only non-trivial one there I think, the ohter's are easy/fast. Work on the other H-Orientation cases, I don't think many people have looked at those yet.
If you are talking about general double-sune cases outside of H1, then I have many of those covered too. Me and DanH have good L1 sets completed. I don't know if Pi1 needs work, I have a set, but it's kinda slow I think. -Doug --- In zbmethod@yahoogroups.com, Gilles van den Peereboom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hello :-) > > I think a database should be enough for the storage of our work. However we > might want to have a more complete site so that it's clearer and easier to > read. > But let's do the first things first. > > If nobody minds, I'd like to start with the Double-Sune case without any > corners to swap (only edges). I haven't checked all the existing zb-ll pages > so if this has already been looked into very deep, please tell me :p > > Concerning the optimization and the different styles, I think that if we > want to do this really well, we need to be complete. I mean that when we > have an algorithm for a case that can be done sub3 : it's very good. But > maybe there is another one which could be faster. > So I propose that we at the least propose 2 different algs that can be done > sub3. > However this might be hard, but I think the result is worth it. > > I'll start working on this tomorrow. :-) > Gilles. > > > 2005/12/11, cmhardw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > > Hey Gilles, > > > > That would be awesome thank you! I'm also going to start searching > > and including all the search lists for the algs for others to search > > for ones they like too. > > > > Here is the biggest problem. We all have different styles. I vastly > > prefer RULM to anything else, and will often choose a sub- optimal RULM > > alg over an optimal length one. > > > > Also, some people are better at using the optimal algs and getting > > them to full speed. > > > > So here is the idea. I am a self proclaimed RULM user. I prefer RULM > > to anything else, although I do have lots of RUF and RULFD types algs > > that I like a lot. > > > > So once someone finds a list of potential algs for a case I could > > search for the RULM alg, and someone who is better at making the > > optimal alg fast could search for that. > > > > We can group ourselves accorind go out styles. That way, on the > > central site where we post these algs, each case will have upwards of > > hopefully 10 different algs that are optimized for different styles. > > If 10 isn't possible, at least a few to choose from. > > > > I don't know the best way to set up this group interaction, perhaps we > > can all vote for our favorite and vastly preferred styles to start > > with. I am very much a RULM solver though, and prefer it to all other > > types by far. > > > > If too many of us are the same style then we can branch out. I also > > like RUF a lot and could search for those. > > > > Basically we need people to just search for algs in all types of > > metrics, and people to sift through algs once they are found. Imay > > even be able to get Richard Patterson to help us for the sifting part. > > I am willing to run my processor 24-7 to search for algs, as well as > > look for good ones among those found. > > > > We should coordinate as a team and work on these together. Let's > > serioulsly turn team [zb] into a group effort to improve the ZB > > method. I do think with a truly optimized ZBLL, that this method can > > be one of the best, if not the best. But it will take a flawless ZBLL. > > > > Let me know what you guys think. I want to start with my > > T-orientations case 1 algs first. Most are sub-3 already, but I want > > to optimize those that aren't and also research and provide algs for > > different styles as well. > > > > What do you guys think? Should we make a database and divy up all the > > COLL cases? What would work best, I want as much input from everyone > > as we can get so that everyone can enjoy what they are working on, and > > do what they want to work on. > > > > Chris > > definitely still team [zb] as well > > > > --- In zbmethod@yahoogroups.com, Gilles van den Peereboom > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > Hello, > > > > > > Even though I stopped learning ZB a few weeks ago, I'm still > > > interested in that extension. > > > I'm kind of fed up with learning an huge amount of algorithms without > > > always understanding what I do. > > > But I'm really interested in finding new ones either by myself or with > > > the help of a computer. > > > > > > If you want some help, I could help for exemple on one of the > > > orientation case (maybe split it with someone if anybody is > > > interested). > > > > > > I'm rather fond of the Double-Sune orientation so if there is any case > > > you prefer to have first (since I'm probably not gonna use this in > > > competition), just tell me which one :-) > > > > > > Gilles. > > > > > > 2005/12/11, cmhardw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > > Hey everyone, > > > > > > > > I've been talking to Richard a lot lately, and he really inspired me > > > > about one thing. > > > > > > > > I think ZBLL can be extremely fast, but we have to set a higher > > > > standard for it. We have to set the standard of sub-3 average for > > > > every alg (just straight execution) and that would make the LL have a > > > > sub-4 solve time with recognition also (in theory). > > > > > > > > Well I don't think even a few people could do this in a short amount > > > > of time, so here is the suggestion. ZB doesn't have much popularity > > > > yet, since it isn't fast. Sadly it will take that to get many to > > > > notice. Also, why learn ZBLL quickly now and redo 300 algs later > > when > > > > it does gain some popularity after people have learned it, when > > we can > > > > all work on generating algs (with the sub-3 requirement) and make it > > > > fast now? > > > > > > > > It would work like this, learn ZBLL in any way you want, and generate > > > > and save all algs for that path. If you are learning algs that have > > > > already been generated, then learn the algs you want from a > > webpage or > > > > from someone, but generate other cases only to make them fast, learn > > > > them later. > > > > > > > > We could each take a COLL case and generate algs and spend a few > > weeks > > > > or maybe a month on optimizing each case to sub-3. > > > > > > > > After that we can meet here and post the best ones on a central > > > > website (perhaps Ron will lend us a space in the Algs section). > > > > > > > > I think if we make ZBLL fast right from the start, then we can learn > > > > the fastest ZBLL right from the start and have a chance for the > > method > > > > to be fast. > > > > > > > > I know a lot of you guys are very serious about the method, so I ask: > > > > who is willing to help me make a sub-3 requirement for ZBLL a > > reality? > > > > I can start with my slowest T algs (some are already easily sub-3) > > > > and work from there. Again you don't have to learn the algs you > > > > generate, learn however you want, but spend time each day helping > > > > optimize the ZBLL. > > > > > > > > I think with all of us it will still not be much man power, but it > > > > will be enough to make a start. > > > > > > > > I will now require sub-3 for all algs, and try to spend a few > > weeks to > > > > 1 month on each COLL case to really get this right. I will stop > > > > learning until my T and U algs are fully sub-3 optimized. > > > > > > > > Also if sub-3 is just not possible, let's find the true limit, > > and get > > > > under that. > > > > > > > > ZB can still have a change, but we have to have a higher standard > > than > > > > sub-4. I'm already convinced that a sub-4 ZBLL stands no change > > > > whatsoever against Fridrich. > > > > > > > > I'm going to start on my worst T cases and go from there. Is anyone > > > > else interested? 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