Al, Al, Al... I think you're seriously short-changing experiencing reality without illusions. Read your Zen literature again or talk to a Zen teacher. Zen refers to this as 'jumping off
I don't usually post quotes. I like to say things myself in my own way, but since I've done that, and Edgar and Mike have also done that, I'll try a quote: "What is the master [within you] who at this very moment is seeing and hearing? If you reply, as most do, that it is Mind or Nature or Buddha or one's Face before birth or one's Original Home or Koan or Being or Nothingness or Emptiness or Form-and-Color or the Known or the Unknown or Truth or Delusion, or say something or remain silent, or regard it as Enlightenment or Ignorance, you fall into error at once. What is more, if you are so foolhardy as to doubt the reality of this master, you bind yourself though you use no rope. However much you try to know it through logical reasoning or to name or call it, you are doomed to failure. And even though all of you becomes one mass of questioning as you turn inward and intently search the very core of your being, you will find nothing that can be termed Mind or Essence. Yet should someone call your name, something from within will hear and respond. Find out this instant who it is! If you push forward with your last ounce of strength at the very point where the path of your thinking has been blocked, and then, completely stymied, leap with hands high in the air into the tremendous abyss of fire confronting you -- into the ever-burning flame of your own primordial nature -- all ego-consciousness, all delusive feelings and thoughts and perceptions will perish with your ego-root and the true source of your Self-nature will appear. You will feel resurrected, all sickness having completely vanished, and will experience genuine peace and joy." Bassui - Japanese Zen Master (1327-1387) ...Bill! P.S. I bow with great humility to your dog... --- In [email protected], "Fitness63" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > From: Bill Smart> It is not a name of a particular think. It is not a proper > noun.) is direct experience of reality. > > > OK, so what? My dog experiences reality directly without illusions > (presumably). > > What you define as zen sounds like Zombie Zen, not even Happy People Zen. > You are talking about just lurching through life gaping at everything > "experiencing it directly." > > A flower is a flower, etc., so what? Where is the turning of the Dharma > Wheel in THAT? What is THAT if it is just about standing there looking at IT > and experiencing IT without any Maya? What is the point of THAT? > ------------------------------------ Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about it today!Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
