Good morning Mike;

Yes, I have to admit that I also enjoy the variety of subjects 
discussed here in the forum regardless of being intelectual or not.  
It's great to have a bunch of people to talk to about anything.  
Listening to all of them.  Learning from each of them.  I see each 
member as a non separation of myself.  What is the good in them is 
also in me.  What are the weakness in them are a reflection of myself 

Dear all;

I haven't had in time to go through all the post.  I'm afraid I have 
not much time right now to read and answer some of the posts.  But I 

Thank you all for your participation in the forum.

A big smile to you all

--- In, mike brown <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi Mayka,
> >My knowledge and insight about 
> >consciousness is rather limited. And therefore open to 
> >intelectualization and what is the worst speculation. Being aware 
> >the harm that intelectualization and speculation can cause I'd 
> >keep quiet till real insight cames out. 
> Well said. I really do enjoy reading the intellectual and 
metaphysical postings here, but at the end of the day, that is all 
they really are - headcandy for the intellect. That's why I guess I 
would call myself a Zen Buddhist. The danger of trying to extract zen 
from Zen Buddhism can lead to the charge that zen is nothing more 
than an "intellectual exercise" ala JMJM. IMHO an understanding 
of 'emptiness' without following the Eight Precepts won't  lead to a 
self-transformation as deep as following them. I don't remember who 
said it, but zen without Zen Buddhism is like an alcoholic going to 
an AA meeting in the morning and a cocktail lounge in the evening.
> Mike.
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Mayka <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To:
> Sent: Wednesday, 15 October, 2008 14:47:58
> Subject: [Zen] Re: TNH - Fifty Verses of the Nature of 
Consciousness.  Part 4, Sense Consciousness
> Hi Mike;
> Which of the verses would like a comment?.  These last three or 
> previous ones?.  If you're refering to these last three verses then 
> in order to understand them one needs first to understand all 
> previous ones. Verses are all linked like an unbreakable chain and 
> the same time each verse contains also all the rest.  Amazing art 
> writing, isn't it?. 
> However, I'm not making comments at the moment for several reasons; 
> First; it would create intelectual distraction over the readers. 
> Second; Although I had this dharma directly transmitted during a 
> retreat by Venerable Zen Master Thich Nhat Hanh. I feel no much 
> confidence yet on the subject. 
> The Nature of Consciousness is a most fascinating subject to 
> about in a dharma group. Of course providing that the ones who take 
> part in such a complex discussion are people with a real 
> within themselves of the subject discussed and not just vanity and 
> ego.
> Thanks anyway for your interest.
> Mayka 
> --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], mike brown <uerusuboyo@ ...> 
> >
> > Hi Mayka,
> > 
> > Could you give us a commentary on what those verses mean to you? 
> Thanks.
> > 
> > Mike.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > ----- Original Message ----
> > From: Mayka <flordeloto@ ...>
> > Sent: Wednesday, 15 October, 2008 13:02:22
> > Subject: [Zen] TNH - Fifty Verses of the Nature of Consciousness. 
> Part 4, Sense Consciousness
> > 
> > 
> > Part 4, Sense Consciousness
> > 
> > Twenty-Eight
> > 
> > Based on mind consciousness.
> > The five sense consciousness
> > separately or together with mind consciousness,
> > manifest like waves on water. 
> > 
> > Twenty-Nine
> > 
> > The field of perception is things in themselves.
> > Their mode of perception is direct.
> > Their nature can be wholesome, unwholesome or neutral.
> > They operate on the sense organs and the sensation center of the 
> > brain.
> > 
> > Thirty
> > 
> > They arise with the
> > universal, particular and wholesome,
> > the basic and secondary unwholesome,
> > and the indeterminate mental formations.
> >


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