Anthony, I'm not advocating you sit on a pillow forever. Formal sitting with a teacher is a good way to learn to do zazen, but like anything else after you've learned the basics you should extend the activity into your entire life. It's the same for zazen. Just drop the 'za' part (which means 'sit' in Japanese - I think) and what you have left is 'zen'. You can sit zen (zazen), you can walk zen, you can talk zen and you can change the oil in your car's engine zen.
Or as you suggest you can constantly oscillate between suffering and fun. ...Bill! From: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com [mailto:zen_fo...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Anthony Wu Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2009 10:54 PM To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Zen] Re: The Reason For God Are you advocating that we should all just sit on a pillow until it stinks, and that is all? That is why I say no suffering, no fun. Anthony --- On Wed, 7/1/09, billsm...@hhs1963.org <billsm...@hhs1963.org> wrote: From: billsm...@hhs1963.org <billsm...@hhs1963.org> Subject: RE: [Zen] Re: The Reason For God To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, 7 January, 2009, 3:53 PM Al is correct. Just THIS! Some of us think it's heaven and some of us think it's hell. Whatever we think of it, it's Just THIS! ...Bill! From: zen_fo...@yahoogrou ps.com [mailto:zen_fo...@yahoogrou ps.com] On Behalf Of fitness4u2163 Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2009 11:13 AM To: zen_fo...@yahoogrou ps.com Subject: [Zen] Re: The Reason For God "cid830" I don't have to rely on my "faith" to carry me into the promised land, after I die! The Kingdom of Heaven is among us! > > That is as much a fantasy as anything else. To some degree it is a lot worse and more pathetic to walk this earth thinking it is heaven. I certainly hope that this is not as good as it gets. Read the news and every day there is no end to the murders, rapes, killing of children, and numerous other incidents that are much more horrible than anything a normal person can imagine. By the way, in case you all haven't figured it out, satori is a pure fantasy and all those altered states that are written about are the purest form of bullshit ever created. When they say that there is no there, they aren't kidding. It is all here, and that is it. Nothing more. No nothing. You can sit your ass on a pillow for the rest of eternity, and the only thing that will happen is the pillow will stink. __________ NOD32 3741 (20090105) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset. com ________________________________________ Get your preferred Email name! Now you can @ymail.com and @rocketmail..com. __________ NOD32 3750 (20090108) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com ------------------------------------ Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about it today!Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:zen_forum-dig...@yahoogroups.com mailto:zen_forum-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: zen_forum-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/