Anthony,  I'm not advocating you sit on a pillow forever. Formal sitting with a 
teacher is a good way to learn to do zazen, but like anything else after you've 
learned the basics you should extend the activity into your entire life.  It's 
the same for zazen.  Just drop the 'za' part (which means 'sit' in Japanese - I 
think) and what you have left is 'zen'.  You can sit zen (zazen), you can walk 
zen, you can talk zen and you can change the oil in your car's engine zen.

Or as you suggest you can constantly oscillate between suffering and fun.


From: [] On Behalf Of 
Anthony Wu
Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2009 10:54 PM
Subject: RE: [Zen] Re: The Reason For God

Are you advocating that we should all just sit on a pillow until it stinks, and 
that is all? That is why I say no suffering, no fun.

--- On Wed, 7/1/09, <> wrote:
From: <>
Subject: RE: [Zen] Re: The Reason For God
Date: Wednesday, 7 January, 2009, 3:53 PM
Al is correct. Just THIS! Some of us think it's heaven and some of us
think it's hell. Whatever we think of it, it's Just THIS!


From: zen_fo...@yahoogrou [mailto:zen_fo...@yahoogrou] On Behalf
Of fitness4u2163
Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2009 11:13 AM
To: zen_fo...@yahoogrou
Subject: [Zen] Re: The Reason For God

"cid830" I don't have to rely on my "faith" to carry me into the 
promised land, after I die! The Kingdom of Heaven is among us!

That is as much a fantasy as anything else. To some degree it is a lot 
worse and more pathetic to walk this earth thinking it is heaven. I 
certainly hope that this is not as good as it gets. Read the news and 
every day there is no end to the murders, rapes, killing of children, 
and numerous other incidents that are much more horrible than anything 
a normal person can imagine. 

By the way, in case you all haven't figured it out, satori is a pure 
fantasy and all those altered states that are written about are the 
purest form of bullshit ever created. When they say that there is no 
there, they aren't kidding. It is all here, and that is it. Nothing 
more. No nothing. You can sit your ass on a pillow for the rest of 
eternity, and the only thing that will happen is the pillow will 

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