Joe,
I enjoy one-liners. In fact I prefer them to 3 or 4 paragraphs of rhetoric. You either didn’t read the one-liner below, or you are determined to believe I actively discourage people from helping others. The one-liner, with added emphasis on the word you must have missed, is: ‘Please remember to put on your own oxygen mask first BEFORE attempting to help others.’ It doesn’t say, ‘Put on your own oxygen mask and then sit back, breathe deeply and watch everyone else suffocate.’ …Bill! From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of maitreya003 Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2010 2:17 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [Zen] Re: Compassion Bill, All your one liners on this post to Anthony have a common theme which is offering help. When an addict becomes free and helps others overcome addiction they are not flawed, but when a person experiences freedom from suffering do to the transformation of negative actions to virtuous ones they are flawed. Would you tell a recovered addict that there is no need to help other addicts because there are no destructive behaviours, even when from the recovered persons experience that is not so. You keep projecting the ultimate on the illusion and that is not so. Either the illusion is the same nature as your experience or it is not. Things function in the illusion, there are actions that cause happiness and those that cause suffering, actions that cause personal freedom and those that maintain bondage. It is not a delusion for someone who has freed their self from an attachment to help others do the same. joe --- In [email protected] <mailto:Zen_Forum%40yahoogroups.com> , <billsm...@...> wrote: > > Anthony, > > > > As I’ve said before, the kindly uniformed Bodhisattvas who tend to our > every need during our air travel remind us of this just before we take off: > > > > ‘Please remember to put on your own oxygen mask first before attempting to > help others’. > > > > Also Jesus, who was not an official flight attendant but did attempt to guide > his flock so they could ascend to Heaven, is quoted as saying: > > “5You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you > will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother's eye.†The Holy > Bible, Matthew 7:5 > > …Bill! > > > > > > From: [email protected] <mailto:Zen_Forum%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:[email protected] <mailto:Zen_Forum%40yahoogroups.com> ] On > Behalf Of Anthony Wu > Sent: Monday, August 02, 2010 4:57 AM > To: [email protected] <mailto:Zen_Forum%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: Compassion > > > > > > > ED, > > > > I am asking and also telling everybody what I read about the confusing > Mahayanist literature. > > > > Anthony > > --- On Sat, 31/7/10, ED <seacrofter...@...> wrote: > > > From: ED <seacrofter...@...> > Subject: [Zen] Re: Compassion > To: [email protected] <mailto:Zen_Forum%40yahoogroups.com> > Date: Saturday, 31 July, 2010, 8:58 PM > > > > > Anthony, > > Are you asking us or are you telling us? > > --ED > > > > --- In zen_fo...@yahoogrou ps.com, Anthony Wu <wuasg@> wrote: > > > > ED, > > > > In my understanding (if found incorrect, please point out), Buddha says you > > must first work out your own salvation, then you save others. But the later > > Mahayanist says that the ideal bodhisatva helps others first, before saving > > themselves. Can you really help others when facing many problems of your > > own? > > > > Anthony > > > > > > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature > database 5331 (20100801) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 5335 (20100802) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com
