In my understanding (if found incorrect, please point out), Buddha says you 
must first work out your own salvation, then you save others. But the later 
Mahayanist says that the ideal bodhisatva helps others first, before saving 
themselves. Can you really help others when facing many problems of your own?

--- On Tue, 27/7/10, ED <seacrofter...@yahoo.com> wrote:

From: ED <seacrofter...@yahoo.com>
Subject: [Zen] Re: Compassion
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, 27 July, 2010, 8:48 PM


"Work out your *own* salvation with diligence.", said the Buddha. 

--- In zen_fo...@yahoogrou ps.com, "maitreya003" <joult...@...> wrote:
> or build a boat when one is spontaneously needed. or feed others when they 
> hunger, help find shelter for those who need rest. When self is individual 
> then it's all about individual needs. Thinking of your self is ok but not 
> other selves.

> --- In zen_fo...@yahoogrou ps.com, "Bill!" BillSmart@ wrote:
> >
> > Okay, how about '...eat when you're hungry, sleep when you're tired, wake 
> > when you're rested and build a boat when you're asked.'?
> > 
> > ...Bill!

> > --- In zen_fo...@yahoogrou ps.com, "maitreya003" <joultimo@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Bill
> > > 
> > > Just keep sitting, and eat when you're hungry, sleep when you're tired, 
> > > wake when you're rested and deal with whatever comes up in a spontaneous 
> > > manner without any goals or valutions in mind."
> > > 
> > > And if someone asks you to design and build a boat, can you just sit and 
> > > not set any goals and valuations, or must you put thought into the design 
> > > and effort into the build, even though it's an illusion? 
> > > 
> > > Apparently you place valuation on sitting, eating when hungry and 
> > > sleeping when tired, etc, Because that is the way, the only way to you. A 
> > > set of illusory standards within the illusion.


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