But the later Mahayanist says that the ideal bodhisattva helps others first,
before saving themselves.
>From what I learned is there are three types of minds of bodhichitta, one that
>seeks to bring others along with them, one that wishes to lead all others
>first and then go, and one that becomes a Buddha first then leads all living
>beings. He says that though the other two are noble minds, they are ignorant
>wishes. When you said "Can you really help others when facing many problems
>of your own?" Buddha said you can't, which is why becoming Buddha first is
>true bodhichitta. However, to deny compassionate help to the world while
>transforming into Buddha would be to deny the compassionate being of the now,
>who interacts with the world and affects it. The vow of becoming a Buddha
>should not contradict the vow of helping others but support it, to the point
>that each helps increase the other. So a balanced view again arises, you are
>not Buddha yet, just as the car on the assembly line is not built yet, so you
>be the being you are, compassion, until then.
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Anthony Wu <wu...@...> wrote:
> In my understanding (if found incorrect, please point out), Buddha says you
> must first work out your own salvation, then you save others. But the later
> Mahayanist says that the ideal bodhisatva helps others first, before saving
> themselves. Can you really help others when facing many problems of your own?
> --- On Tue, 27/7/10, ED <seacrofter...@...> wrote:
> From: ED <seacrofter...@...>
> Subject: [Zen] Re: Compassion
> To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Tuesday, 27 July, 2010, 8:48 PM
> "Work out your *own* salvation with diligence.", said the Buddha.
> --- In zen_fo...@yahoogrou ps.com, "maitreya003" <joultimo@> wrote:
> > or build a boat when one is spontaneously needed. or feed others when they
> > hunger, help find shelter for those who need rest. When self is individual
> > then it's all about individual needs. Thinking of your self is ok but not
> > other selves.
> > --- In zen_fo...@yahoogrou ps.com, "Bill!" BillSmart@ wrote:
> > >
> > > Okay, how about '...eat when you're hungry, sleep when you're tired, wake
> > > when you're rested and build a boat when you're asked.'?
> > >
> > > ...Bill!
> > > --- In zen_fo...@yahoogrou ps.com, "maitreya003" <joultimo@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Bill
> > > >
> > > > Just keep sitting, and eat when you're hungry, sleep when you're tired,
> > > > wake when you're rested and deal with whatever comes up in a
> > > > spontaneous manner without any goals or valutions in mind."
> > > >
> > > > And if someone asks you to design and build a boat, can you just sit
> > > > and not set any goals and valuations, or must you put thought into the
> > > > design and effort into the build, even though it's an illusion?
> > > >
> > > > Apparently you place valuation on sitting, eating when hungry and
> > > > sleeping when tired, etc, Because that is the way, the only way to you.
> > > > A set of illusory standards within the illusion.
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