Anthony, But the later Mahayanist says that the ideal bodhisattva helps others first, before saving themselves. >From what I learned is there are three types of minds of bodhichitta, one that >seeks to bring others along with them, one that wishes to lead all others >first and then go, and one that becomes a Buddha first then leads all living >beings. He says that though the other two are noble minds, they are ignorant >wishes. When you said "Can you really help others when facing many problems >of your own?" Buddha said you can't, which is why becoming Buddha first is >true bodhichitta. However, to deny compassionate help to the world while >transforming into Buddha would be to deny the compassionate being of the now, >who interacts with the world and affects it. The vow of becoming a Buddha >should not contradict the vow of helping others but support it, to the point >that each helps increase the other. So a balanced view again arises, you are >not Buddha yet, just as the car on the assembly line is not built yet, so you >be the being you are, compassion, until then.
joe --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Anthony Wu <wu...@...> wrote: > > ED, > Â > In my understanding (if found incorrect, please point out), Buddha says you > must first work out your own salvation, then you save others. But the later > Mahayanist says that the ideal bodhisatva helps others first, before saving > themselves. Can you really help others when facing many problems of your own? > Â > Anthony > > --- On Tue, 27/7/10, ED <seacrofter...@...> wrote: > > > From: ED <seacrofter...@...> > Subject: [Zen] Re: Compassion > To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Tuesday, 27 July, 2010, 8:48 PM > > > Â > > > > > Â > "Work out your *own* salvation with diligence.", said the Buddha. > --ED > > --- In zen_fo...@yahoogrou ps.com, "maitreya003" <joultimo@> wrote: > > > > or build a boat when one is spontaneously needed. or feed others when they > > hunger, help find shelter for those who need rest. When self is individual > > then it's all about individual needs. Thinking of your self is ok but not > > other selves. > > Â > > --- In zen_fo...@yahoogrou ps.com, "Bill!" BillSmart@ wrote: > > > > > > Okay, how about '...eat when you're hungry, sleep when you're tired, wake > > > when you're rested and build a boat when you're asked.'? > > > > > > ...Bill! > > > > --- In zen_fo...@yahoogrou ps.com, "maitreya003" <joultimo@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > Just keep sitting, and eat when you're hungry, sleep when you're tired, > > > > wake when you're rested and deal with whatever comes up in a > > > > spontaneous manner without any goals or valutions in mind." > > > > > > > > And if someone asks you to design and build a boat, can you just sit > > > > and not set any goals and valuations, or must you put thought into the > > > > design and effort into the build, even though it's an illusion? > > > > > > > > Apparently you place valuation on sitting, eating when hungry and > > > > sleeping when tired, etc, Because that is the way, the only way to you. > > > > A set of illusory standards within the illusion. > > Â > ------------------------------------ Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about it today!Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: zen_forum-dig...@yahoogroups.com zen_forum-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: zen_forum-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/