My cravings on that matter have long passed. However, I find it amusing to read 
how the Tibetan Buddhism reconciles what Sakyamuni terms a drag to practice 
with apparently puritan style worship. The outcome has often been loss of face, 
a lawsuit or settlement out of the court. But in the USA, people tend to have a 
short memory or don't seem to care.
Don't worry too much. From time to time, we need something to laugh at.

--- On Wed, 20/10/10, Kristy McClain <> wrote:

From: Kristy McClain <>
Subject: RE: [Zen] Questions, questions, question
Date: Wednesday, 20 October, 2010, 7:32 AM


You often refer to Tantra and prurient pleasures in your posts. Are you trying 
to justify your own cravngs, with your belief that you are also a spiritual or 
"true" zen-ist? (And I think you are). 
Just curious;)  k     

--- On Tue, 10/19/10, Anthony Wu <> wrote:

From: Anthony Wu <>
Subject: RE: [Zen] Questions, questions, question
Date: Tuesday, October 19, 2010, 4:06 PM


A Tantric story describes an 'enlightened' person as killing fish, drinking 
wine and having an affair with women. Is that the outcome of your highlighted 
statement below?

--- On Tue, 19/10/10, <> wrote:

From: <>
Subject: RE: [Zen] Questions, questions, question
Date: Tuesday, 19 October, 2010, 5:02 PM



My responses are embedded below:

o   How does enlightenment influence moral and altruistic behavior?
[Bill!] It stops the imperative to classify things as moral/immoral or
o   What are the benefits to self and others of the realization of Buddha
[Bill!] It reveals the concept of ‘self’ as illusory. It puts an end to all

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