--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Maria Lopez <flordel...@...> wrote:
> I wouldn't say about me that there is no arrogance. There is
sometimes arrogance in me specially when something irritates me.
You mean that you are not *really* responsible for your elevated
self-image, but are at the mercy of your irritating ambiance? ;-)
> However in the case of posting to ED arrogance was not intended.
>My intention was to make ED react in his Buddha nature and this was my
arrogance. He was right to point it out.
> My intention was a good intention but I lacked of the skill and
instead I provoke in the reaction of his ego defending itself.
Mayka, I am consumed with envy for your ever well-intentioned and
ego-free speech and behavior, and I am quite disgusted with my own
> He appeared to be fluid in his zen notions but somehow his mind was
entangled and limited by it.
You have pointed to us how *not* to be. Could you also edify us with a
description of how *to be*, by outlining the workings of your own mind?
> Just wanted to help him to get out of that.
Mayka, I am overwhelmed by your compassion.
> I have a long, long way to learn from your skill and ability to
communicate appropriately in a way that the talk is beneficial to the
In my estimation, Bill is an example of the effect that achieving
kensho/satori can have on a zen practitioner.
Whether what he says and, more importantly, how he says it, is
beneficial to any specific individual or not, is a function of that
person's degree of evolution.
When you relate to me and others as Bill does, I will acknowledge your
attainment of a mature kensho/satori - and it looks to me right now that
that may be decades away - as would be the case for me too.