ED, They are seemingly the same position, but Vajrayana has a lot of sex rituals. I don't think zen has it. If I am wrong, correct me. Anthony
--- On Wed, 27/10/10, ED <seacrofter...@yahoo.com> wrote: From: ED <seacrofter...@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [Zen] Platform Scripture of the Sixth Patriarch To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, 27 October, 2010, 10:55 AM Bill posted: "When one realizes his original nature, discipline, calmness and wisdom need not be instituted." Tibetan Vajrayana and zen appear to have similar positions on this issue. --ED --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, <billsm...@...> wrote: > > Anthony, > All the questions you have asked about having limits or rules to go by are answered by one sentence below: > "When one realizes his original nature, discipline, calmness and wisdom need > not be instituted." > And there are no need for rules, multi-fold paths, vows, dogma, rituals or attachment to the concept of karma. > Entiende? Kao Jai? > ...Bill!