ED, In my experience and the best that I can express it, Samadhi (shikantaza/clear mind/Buddha Mind) WITHOUT awareness appears BEFORE kensho. Kensho (the way I use the word) is the AWARENESS of Buddha Mind. AFTER kensho samadhi/shikantaza/clear mind/Buddha Mind continues, but continues WITH awareness.
An analogy (maybe a poor one) is learning to ride a bicycle. - first you learn the basics by riding with training wheels. All the while you are riding you are very aware of your dependency on the training wheels. This is beginning zazen. - after some time someone removes the training wheels, but YOU AREN'T AWARE they're gone. You ride along okay not really thinking anything about the training wheels. This is like samadhi/shikantaza/clear mind/Buddha Mind BEFORE kensho. - then all of a sudden you BECOME AWARE that you are riding WITHOUT any training wheels! This is kensho. - after kensho you get on your bike and ride all over the neighborhood, just going wherever you want, and the thought of training wheels does not even enter you mind. This is samadhi/shikantaza/clear mind/Buddha Mind AFTER kensho. So the only difference in the samadhi/shikantaza/clear mind/Buddha Mind BEFORE and AFTER kensho is the awareness of training wheels. That's the best I can come up with right now...Bill! From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of ED Sent: Thursday, November 25, 2010 8:33 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [Zen] Three Buddhist Practices Anthony, My reading and yours is that samadhi precedes kenso/satori. I would like to see how JMJM justifies his statement that kensho/satori precedes samadhi. I am under the impression that Bill asserts that samadhi is no other than kensho-satori. --ED --- In [email protected], Anthony Wu <wu...@...> wrote: > > ED/JMJM, > > I think JM means kensho is prior to samadhi, which is way before satori. JM's position is unique. > > Anthony __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 5648 (20101125) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 5650 (20101126) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com ------------------------------------ Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about it today!Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: [email protected] [email protected] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [email protected] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
